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Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by ascagnel_ »

raylad wrote: post #23

There's also this: U.S. congresswoman calls out Nike, Apple and Coca-Cola for lobbying against Uighur labour bills Jennifer Wexton says companies are publicly condemning forced labour and privately trying to water down bills https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday... The companies principally who are lobbying ... to have changes to your bills, are Apple, Nike, Coca-Cola [and] the U.S. Chamber of…

Per the New York Times [0]:

> According to a document viewed by The New York Times, Apple’s suggested edits to the bill included extending some deadlines for compliance, releasing certain information about supply chains to congressional committees rather than to the public, and requiring Chinese entities to be “designated by the United States government” as helping to surveil or detain Muslim minority groups in Xinjiang.

It’s definitely suspicious that lobbying is being done in secret, but I can’t think of many cases where any lobbying is done in the open.

[0]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/29/business/economy/nike-coc...

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by jsjohnst »

donkeyd wrote: post #65
webmobdev wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rules that were unfair. I protest as a consumer as an unnecessary Apple tax to install paid software is an unfair burden that should be illegal.

Do you feel the same way about anything sold on Amazon? Or in supermarkets? Or is that in some way different?

Just to emphasize your point, 30% take is relatively small in the retail world. A store like Amazon or Walmart or Target or Best Buy generally wants a cut of 40-50%, if not more. And that doesn’t include the cut many distributors want to take for being the middle person.

(Source: I’ve been on the executive team at startups with products sold in retail stores)

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Post by yoz-y »

john_minsk wrote: post #28

I just paid for 12 months worth of Skype subscription which I have used for just 2 calls back in January. I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. Once I subscribed to New York times. The newspaper that was advertised to me for years in all Hollywood movies as a place where honesty and freedom are of highest priority. I had to spend an hour on a phone with their representatives to cancel it…

Isn't there some sort of hack with subscriptions in the US where you can change your address to California and they have to offer you an electronic solution for cancelling?

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by [deleted] »

webmobdev wrote: post #57
john_minsk wrote: post #28

I just paid for 12 months worth of Skype subscription which I have used for just 2 calls back in January. I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. Once I subscribed to New York times. The newspaper that was advertised to me for years in all Hollywood movies as a place where honesty and freedom are of highest priority. I had to spend an hour on a phone with their representatives to cancel it…

> I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. You do so only because you believe have no choice as you know that your democracy is so crippled that you don't expect them to protect your rights as a consumer any more! Where as many Europeans and Asians, who also enjoy democratic rights, will tell you openly that we would prefer that our democratically elected government protect our consumer righ…

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Post by LaGrange »

rglullis wrote: post #76
tshaddox wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, okay, it may be the case that our democracy is so crippled that it can’t protect basic consumer rights. But even so, what are we supposed to do? Quit our jobs, abandon our livelihoods, and take to the streets until our government decides we’re too much trouble and hands over power to a more consumer-friendly replacement government? Or just continue to want to use subscriptions through Apple where possible?

This is a false dichotomy that both pro-government and pro-corporate people fall into. Whether Apple or "Our Government", we shouldn't be giving this much power to institutions. > But even so, what are we supposed to do? Vote with your wallet. Stop consuming whatever it is that comes with attached strings. Stop putting convenience above principles. Refuse to pay/subscribe/accept any terms that are clearly not in your…

> You don't need Big Government to do that.

Apple is big government, just not one you elected.

>> But even so, what are we supposed to do?

>Vote with your wallet.

LMAO.

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Post by corobo »

Closi wrote: post #110
chaostheory wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a point, but that standard protocol doesn’t exist yet to even be implemented. Even then, is it a strict standard that everyone will follow to a T, or is it one where every company will have their own special interpretation? Unfortunately, people need something that works right now.

It has to start at some point! See Open Banking, that's taken many years to implement but we are starting to reap the rewards.

What are the rewards with open banking? I'm not opposed to it by any means but so far all I've seen is my Monzo account showing my Nationwide balance

Is there a "ahhhh this is what it's for" moment out there yet?

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by WanderPanda »

rglullis wrote: post #107
sveme wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why do the workers of VW have to pay with a loss of their jobs for the wrongdoings of their managers? Several of those responsible have already spent time in prison, others will follow.

Because it wasn't just the manager, but also the engineers that implemented the fraudulent system and the people doing QC that turned a blind eye and did not speak up. The manager is the one with most skin in the game and should go to jail, does not mean that anyone else is free from fault. By working for a company that kept an unfair advantage they also benefited from the fraud, they should also face some of the con…

Yep, otherwise the feedback loop does not work. It works best if people at every stage question if their company is doing something wrong instead of selecting some high income people to blame and take all the liability. After all every worker should be incentivised to have skin in the game through stock compensation

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Post by cannabis_sam »

webmobdev wrote: post #57
john_minsk wrote: post #28

I just paid for 12 months worth of Skype subscription which I have used for just 2 calls back in January. I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. Once I subscribed to New York times. The newspaper that was advertised to me for years in all Hollywood movies as a place where honesty and freedom are of highest priority. I had to spend an hour on a phone with their representatives to cancel it…

> I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. You do so only because you believe have no choice as you know that your democracy is so crippled that you don't expect them to protect your rights as a consumer any more! Where as many Europeans and Asians, who also enjoy democratic rights, will tell you openly that we would prefer that our democratically elected government protect our consumer righ…

Democracy is crippled by corporate power and economic ideology, there’s no belief involved (except on the part of the economists).

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by m-p-3 »

john_minsk wrote: post #28

I just paid for 12 months worth of Skype subscription which I have used for just 2 calls back in January. I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. Once I subscribed to New York times. The newspaper that was advertised to me for years in all Hollywood movies as a place where honesty and freedom are of highest priority. I had to spend an hour on a phone with their representatives to cancel it…

Personally I don't want all my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay, I want a system that all banks supports where I can manage my recurring payments/subscriptions, in which I can generate virtual, revocable credit cards to which I can set custom limits and track my expenses.

I can do it for my emails, why not for my payment systems?

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by Closi »

rglullis wrote: post #116
Closi wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about just enforce a standard which all companies have to follow through legislation? (See: Open Banking)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

"We shouldn't do something, because someone might use it as an opportunity to make it worse"

Great.

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