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Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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This article basically describes how the current internet was created.... why would this new internet end up any different? You can't expect every person to be skilled enough (and with the time and desire) to be their own network administrator, so someone will have to run the network for those people... and they will need to be compensated for that work... and some people will be really good at running that network,…

The centralization of core Internet governance functions are a key thing to do better.

decentralized PKI, decentralized DNS are part of the ticket.

The other aspect is a monetization scheme at the transport layer to enable ideas like "Web Monetization" https://webmonetization.org/

Diode has implemented both - it has a full deployed decentralized PKI and DNS, has mapped Web2 domains to dDNS (BNS), monetizes infrastructure at the bandwidth level, and is making other strides on the application front.

Check out the Diode dDNS / BNS: https://diode.io/prenet/#/dns

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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The internet as we know it would be just fine if we de-commercialized it. Most websites as we know it don't need to be riddled with ads, google fonts, social media trackers, analytics. "But how do we make money from it?" - if that's the first thought, then maybe it doesn't need to be there. I'd rather have the internet for sharing reliable information, not advertising. It was doing just fine before corporate marketin…

I agree - HUGE problem is the monetization - the best models today are ad placement and job postings.

What if we re-used all the other tech (or nearly all) and: a) ensured that infrastructure providers were paid in a market-economy that rewarded quantity of service in proportion to quality of service and b) gave a cut of proceeds to application sponsors?

The Diode Network already implements these things - an answer to the broken systems of today's Internet. We can use the current Web2.0 to drive Web3 forward and allow this sort of "take back the Internet" to work at the local level while connecting globally with new systems that address the underlying problems.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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I2P [0] does not require a special infrastructure and provides strong anonymity on top of existing networks. [0] https://geti2p.net

Similar project (albeit not production-ready): https://gnunet.org

Have you checked out https://developer.holochain.org?

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

#124

I think gemini[0] is an interesting alternative to the regular internet. It's deliberately designed to avoid many of the things making the web terrible[1]. 0: https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ 1: https://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/faq.html

Isn't that just an application layer protocol? How will that create a new hardware network?

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

#125
Wouldn't the "building your own" part involve using protocols like 2-5G, WiMax and others in order to have long range connectivity between meshnets?

We need devices that you can plug into the wall and immediately join a local meshnet. If it provided connectivity between remote meshnets with stuff like CJDNS, we'd be making a big step towards owning our infrastructure. But we'd still need the infra setup by our telcos. Is it even possible to get rid of them?

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Perhaps this is self-serving of me, since I want to build a product like this, but: I think honestly the problem is that these systems are not consumer-oriented products. I think there is a real desire by people to not have to live as rentiers in the digital marketplace, but there are not really products that cater to that. IMO There's a place for something that merges a NAS, with some sort of overlay over current IP…

I did some analysis of the hardware requirements of replacing my YouTube account with files hosted at home. https://russell.ballestrini.net/dreaming-of-unlimited-home-c...

I'm also interested, details on my contact page. I have a lab and hardware and a decent internet connection.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you looked at Western Digital’s My Cloud? It’s more or less what you described.

For storage, My Cloud and other centralized systems (e.g. QNAP and Synology offerings) give some usability, but they are limited to storage and still use a central server. We are trying to get Diode tech widely adopted - it is a network that enables N to N private, fully trustless, tunnels. We implemented dDrive ( https://support.diode.io/article/irhluyq82j ) over it (in Alpha) that can map any storage (laptop, serve…

What's the pros/cons vs Syncthing?

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

#129
I've spent a lot of time contemplating these ideas, as I have a personal interest in building my own friends/family intranet. Some challenges:

* How do you maintain and update software reliably without becoming a part time employee for maintaining your own personal infrastructure?

* How can we handle failure (such as hardware dying of old age) as gracefully as web services do, without the budget and infrastructure of a modern data center?

* If you're interested in detaching from the modern web, you probably care about sophisticated privacy and trust controls. Most easy-to-find open source software is not so sophisticated.

* Plugging into a lot of "modern" systems takes a lot of knowledge, effort, and sometimes money - DNS (dynamic DNS if your ISP won't offer a static IP), TLS, email, text, and push notifications, for example.

* How confident can you ever be about security? Ideally you want access to your service from the internet for trusted persons and devices - but the moment you expose your service outside the LAN, you're up against the world and a single vulnerable service can spell disaster.

* The most straightforward way to detach from the modern web is to yourself become a smaller, centralized service - a private facebook, if you will. But why would anyone want to take the effort of reuploading themselves and their private lives to your personal facebook? You own the data, they don't. If anything, their privacy feels more at risk, because a single person is more likely to fuck up security than the entirety of the facebook organization.

Edit:

Also, I think a large component is that there's "so much internet" in most peoples' lives, that I think many people hardly want more. Who wants another app, another web service, another way of sharing photos or videos or sending text messages?

A large part of the complacency of the modern web is that most people (that I can see) are tired of it, whether or not they realize. There's only so much information that the modern human needs, and I think if you've spent a few years on facebook you probably feel like you need less information, not more.

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