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72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Post by Bud »

8ytecoder wrote: post #330
stingraycharles wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I own several smart TVs but use none of the smart functionality. They don’t even have internet. TV makers are horrible software developers, for the same reasons that mobile manufacturers were horrible mobile OS developers until Android came along. We have similar solutions for televisions in the form of Apple TV and Chromecast. I honestly feel I’m wasting my money when I’m buying a smart TV these days, but you just n…

Both LG webOS and Sony Android TV come across as polished. If not for the fact that I hate advertisement and tracking with a vengeance, I'd gladly use them.

Will they come across as polished in 10 years, when they haven't had an update in 9 years, and yet the TV itself is still perfectly useful?

I doubt it.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Post by tsjq »

judge2020 wrote: post #564
tsjq wrote: post #81

not long before every TV comes with a built-in SIM card and a whispernet-like arrangement . I hope computer monitors at 40-50inch size reach affordable prices.

https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/b/?node=21328123011

oops. this is not even a SIM card. can this be disabled? will the devices override user preference and still continue to communicate .

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Post by 1123581321 »

kstrauser wrote: post #367
criddell wrote: post #334

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Smart TVs often cost less than dumb TVs. If you don't connect your TV to the internet then you are being subsidized by all the people that do.

And frankly that’s all you need to know about the business model. If they’re making money from me using their free service, then I’m the product.

You also need to know the harm or benefit you accrue by paying for services and being shown ads, as well as the benefit to paying a lower cost for the hardware upfront.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Post by joshu »

acka wrote: post #632
joshu wrote: post #357

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Pro tip: you can Google for part numbers and find people who sell things.

Yeah, and if you're lucky enough to find a seller that way, 9 times out of 10 it will be a wholesaler who will only sell you stuff if you have a corporate account, meaning you either own a business yourself or are cleared by your boss to purchase stuff. Add to that the ludicrous shipping costs for anything weighing more than a box of cereal, insane import duties for anything worth more than say $50, plus a fat VAT sl…

they sell it at newegg.

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Post by 542354234235 »

joombaga wrote: post #412
smileysteve wrote: post #394

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The magic pointer ROCKS

Except you can't shut the thing off, which means I can't have the remote anywhere near me or I'll bump it and make the pointer pop up.

I honestly cannot believe that there is no option anywhere in the settings to turn that off. The best you can do is make the pointer smaller so it is slightly less intrusive when it randomly pops up. I’m tempted to just pull out the batteries, since I can turn on the TV with the Roku remote and I already have a separate remote for my sound system volume.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Post by Diskutant »

jon-wood wrote: post #10

I’m responsible for a bunch of IoT hardware, and every firmware spec I write includes a note on not using the DNS servers provided via DHCP. While sure there are companies explicitly doing this to avoid filtering, at least in my case it’s because a significant proportion of DHCP servers are configured to send DNS to your ISP, and ISP provided DNS is almost universally terrible. They’ll ignore TTLs, rewrite NXDOMAIN r…

Well then just use a hardcoded one by default but allow the user to set one manually and then use that.

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Post by acdha »

syshum wrote: post #447
shawnz wrote: post #203

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I would not want to use your network if that was the case, and I wonder if you similarly would use someone else's network if it was configured like that. I don't think network operators who provide access to the Internet can realistically expect to control what their users do on the Internet, unless the network operator is also the administrator of those workstations.

The problem here is even the device owner is not the "administrator" of the device as we have lost ownership rights, locked behind EULA's, Patents and copyright The point of the original story is "your" meaning a device you own, is ignoring your network controls it is highly unlikely that the TV manufacturer is going to allow me to install my own custom root certs to inspect their traffic to HTTPS, so yes DoH and oth…

They could do that any time without DoH, as has been done for years. Your true choice is allowing network access or not.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Post by schlupfknoten »

mrtksn wrote: post #368
stingraycharles wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I own several smart TVs but use none of the smart functionality. They don’t even have internet. TV makers are horrible software developers, for the same reasons that mobile manufacturers were horrible mobile OS developers until Android came along. We have similar solutions for televisions in the form of Apple TV and Chromecast. I honestly feel I’m wasting my money when I’m buying a smart TV these days, but you just n…

We have an LG with WebOS. Quite good actually, the remote is also very good, the browser is good, the apps work well.

My LG WebOS TV shows an ad banner on the home screen.
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