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The Death of Tony Hsieh: A Spiral of Alcohol, Drugs and Extreme Behavior

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Re: The Death of Tony Hsieh: A Spiral of Alcohol, Drugs and Extreme Behavior

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Post by jansan »

adrianN wrote: post #259
jansan wrote: post #257

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Yes, I read German. But this is not a singular event that has never happened before. Here is a report from 2017 that sounds familiar: https://www.welt.de/regionales/bayern/article161869919/Klini...

Yes of course, there are other occasions where this happens, but I consider in very good evidence against the claim that there is no exceptional ICU load right now.

Yes, situation is bad, but we will make it. Prof. Kluge does not sound too pessimistic. If you have time, take a look at his report about the flu season 2017/18. Pretty grim stuff, more than 40% of intensive care patients died.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333785335_Managemen...

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Post by siberianbear »

bilbopotter wrote: post #191
enraged_camel wrote: post #131

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>>Tony Hsieh had a surprisingly large collection of half-empty liquor bottles at his desk. Not just Tony. My best friend used to work at Zappos. He used to brag to me that every employee/team gets their own mini-fridge, which is stocked with booze and liquor. He said that a common "bonding" experience for different teams in the company is to exchange different types of liquor. This was in early 2010s. He said drinkin…

Wait what are you kidding!? Drinking DURING the day was encouraged? So the famed company culture is to let everyone get drunk as long as they're all hitting targets? Recipe for disaster for anyone who stays a significant amount of time. It seems cool when you're young then after 10 years people start getting serious problems like alcoholic neuropathy. Very sad situation all round.

Obligatory apropos xkcd...

https://xkcd.com/323/

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Post by jacobolus »

jansan wrote: post #248
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #186

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"Died with Covid", not "died from Covid". Regular old respiratory infections are a frequent indirect cause of strokes and heart attacks, but we've never claimed before that common colds cause "millions" of deaths.

No the common cold, but the flu. The official death toll in Germany from the 2017/2018 flu season is still higher than deaths from COVID-19 so far. And I suspect that if we used the same method for COVID-19 deaths that was used for the flu (indirect measurement), the flu of 2017/18 would surpass COVID-19 by far.

Across every age group (except children) Covid is roughly 5x to 10x deadlier than the seasonal flu. It also spreads faster (higher reproductive number), is much more often spread by asymptomatic/presymptomatic people, and nobody has any apparent pre-existing immunity. (And the seasonal flu is a serious deadly disease which stresses hospital systems every year, not some joke. Even if Covid were only as bad as the flu, it would still be a real threat.)

The method used to estimate flu deaths every year is far more expansive than the method used for confirmed Covid deaths.

One interesting thing to see is that the social reactions vs. Covid have radically reduced the amount of flu spread this year vs. previous years.

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Post by downandout »

Mauricebranagh wrote: post #256
downandout wrote: post #173

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Given the extreme conditions being imposed in certain states, it certainly is not being factored into these decisions uniformly by all governors. There are states that are using reason and common sense. But look at California for example. When you have Sheriffs in virtually every major county directly and publicly refusing to enforce your orders, perhaps you have gone too far [1]. [1] https://ktla.com/news/local-news…

That's a weakness of allowing elected police chiefs who may be doing this for political reasons and not considering their duty to protect the public.

That’s pretty cynical. A more likely explanation might be that police agencies have limited resources, and and as a result have to prioritize their enforcement activities for actual crimes. There simply aren’t enough police, jails, or courts to arrest random people for leaving their homes with a mask on.

Further, by advocating for aggressive enforcement, you are also advocating for the ultimate super spreader event: filling jails with people that don’t belong there, where the virus already runs rampant. Most of these people would be booked in, get the virus, and then bail out or be released by a judge a few days later. Then, they would take the virus out into the community and spread it further.

These restrictions are a fun exercise in virtue signaling, but are impractical and actually enforcing them would increase the spread of the virus.

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

jacobolus wrote: post #263
jansan wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No the common cold, but the flu. The official death toll in Germany from the 2017/2018 flu season is still higher than deaths from COVID-19 so far. And I suspect that if we used the same method for COVID-19 deaths that was used for the flu (indirect measurement), the flu of 2017/18 would surpass COVID-19 by far.

Across every age group (except children) Covid is roughly 5x to 10x deadlier than the seasonal flu. It also spreads faster (higher reproductive number), is much more often spread by asymptomatic/presymptomatic people, and nobody has any apparent pre-existing immunity. (And the seasonal flu is a serious deadly disease which stresses hospital systems every year, not some joke. Even if Covid were only as bad as the flu,…

> Across every age group (except children) Covid is roughly 5x to 10x deadlier than the flu.

Two points:

a) 'Flu' is a different disease than respiratory viral diseases. (A.k.a. "common colds".) Covid is a kind of respiratory viral disease.

b) "Common colds" are also deadly and cause a huge number of deaths each year. They just get classified as deaths from stroke or heart attack, not the common cold: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=does%20the%20common%20...

So counting mortality rates is not a simple issue and depends a lot on cultural factors, political incentives, etc.

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Post by tarsinge »

bredren wrote: post #247
PablumPicasso wrote: post #233

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> Perhaps the most irresponsible illustration of this is Elon Musk who has made his substance use so overt I think it wrongly and perhaps dangerously couples using to entrepreneurial success. oh come off it, what substance abuse? he toked on a blunt on JRE once (clearly barely inhaled and even then, so what) and has a few bourbons with his brother on yearly retreats? please provide more info about this, because i've…

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/872260000491593728

Ah yes a glass of red wine is "substance use", as a French that's a good one.

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Post by rorykoehler »

johnwalkr wrote: post #214
rorykoehler wrote: post #207

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And this is supposed to be the company we look up to for guidance on building a culture?

Not to mention its failed experiment with holocracy, which is a great way to de facto promote the worst.[1] [1] https://pando.com/2016/01/19/delivering-hopelessness-38-zapp...

IMO holocracy can work, just not in a capitalist corporate environment. Money is power and people don't forget that because management throw buzzwords around.

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Post by Mauricebranagh »

downandout wrote: post #264
Mauricebranagh wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a weakness of allowing elected police chiefs who may be doing this for political reasons and not considering their duty to protect the public.

That’s pretty cynical. A more likely explanation might be that police agencies have limited resources, and and as a result have to prioritize their enforcement activities for actual crimes. There simply aren’t enough police, jails, or courts to arrest random people for leaving their homes with a mask on. Further, by advocating for aggressive enforcement, you are also advocating for the ultimate super spreader event:…

Given the behaviour of US police forces that has come to light (or ben more exposed recently) - its a reasonable position.

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Post by Pelic4n »

tarsinge wrote: post #266
bredren wrote: post #247

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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/872260000491593728

Ah yes a glass of red wine is "substance use", as a French that's a good one.

From a french to another, a glass of red wine spiced up with benzos absolutely is substance use, and an extremely dangerous kind.

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Post by ericmay »

timeeater wrote: post #200
jacobolus wrote: post #175

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There have been 1.5 million confirmed Covid deaths, but the total number of people who have died from Covid is far higher than that, I would guess at least 1 million more, but possibly higher. Even wealthy countries with developed healthcare/government infrastructure are missing a significant fraction of deaths (in the USA alone, we have probably missed about 100k Covid deaths from the confirmed count). In many less…

If you want to play number games like that, then you should also acknowledge that many who died were on the brink of dead already without Covid. You should only count excess deaths, not who was tested or not. Show me the 3 million excess deaths, before you continue with the alarmism.

Eh, you probably should count what actually killed them, though you can make some arguments.

If you have let’s say two years left to life and COVID ends up finishing you off, that’s a death due to COVID.

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