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Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by qz2 »

oblio wrote: post #50
pmontra wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree but I don't want that place to be tightly tied with the maker of my phone. I want to be able to change phone and not loose anything. Phones are commodities to me. Who makes them is as important as the brand of gas I put in my car. Browser, mail client, WhatsApp, camera, maps, banking apps are about all I need. The subscription management service should be a third party.

It should actually be a banking service and it should be portable between banks. There should be a banking standard for this.

This is an excellent point and perhaps the right answer.

Most of these problems exist because the one place we trust to manage our resources never pivoted on these things. In fact most banks are barely crawling out of the dark ages.

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by [deleted] »

tshaddox wrote: post #62
mdoms wrote: post #35

It's really not normal to be "in love" with a corporation to begin with....

Aren’t you just equivocating on the phrase “in love” though? In this context it just means a strong preference for products manufactured by a certain firm in a certain industry, which isn’t particularly abnormal.

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Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by ignoramous »

john_minsk wrote: post #28

I just paid for 12 months worth of Skype subscription which I have used for just 2 calls back in January. I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. Once I subscribed to New York times. The newspaper that was advertised to me for years in all Hollywood movies as a place where honesty and freedom are of highest priority. I had to spend an hour on a phone with their representatives to cancel it…

> Each bank got their app and added some obvious features there: pay for utilities, for your phone etc. I want more progress here. I want to be able to see all my fees upfront in a clear format. I want to know my credit score. I want to be able to take this credit score to different organizations. etc. etc.

Brace for impact: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ronshevlin/2020/11/30/google-pl...

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by deergomoo »

encom wrote: post #59
mdoms wrote: post #35

It's really not normal to be "in love" with a corporation to begin with....

The whole cultue of Apple is so weird, and kind of appalling. Just the fact that their press conferences are broadcast, and they're held in front of an audience that applaud everything the presenter says, and laughs at his jokes. People "live blog" it, like some bizarre court stenographer. And 1.000 threads are posted on HN about Apple keybords having been made even worse. Again. It's not healthy.

That’s some selective consideration right there. Every large consumer tech company broadcasts their press conferences, because it’s of interest both to fans of the products and industry pundits.

Samsung broadcast their phone events every year. As do Google. Microsoft and Sony are very happy to get on stage to tell you about their new consoles. Tesla have got a new car to tell you about too.

Surely you can see why some people might be interested?

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by __jf__ »

john_minsk wrote: post #28

I just paid for 12 months worth of Skype subscription which I have used for just 2 calls back in January. I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. Once I subscribed to New York times. The newspaper that was advertised to me for years in all Hollywood movies as a place where honesty and freedom are of highest priority. I had to spend an hour on a phone with their representatives to cancel it…

The NYT experience is indeed the fastest way for a company to lose trust. It took me 3 tries to cancel. First rep said: yep cancelled all done. Except it wasnt: renewed at a discount. The 2nd rep: said sorry sorry and produced a chat transcript where I supposedly said thanks for the new discount, k thx bye (I didn’t). Said it was cancelled now. Surprise: it wasnt. Third rep got it done. For real this time. Still disappointed at how this played out.

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by jasoneckert »

While there are many reasons to fall out of love with Apple, including those discussed in this blog post, many people will simply not do so.

Apple has always had an unusual and often unhealthy relationship with their customers, which has garnished Apple fans with labels such as "Cult of Mac members" - Ch.3 through 5 of this satirical book actually analyzes why that is: https://github.com/jasoneckert/CultOfMac

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by Dahoon »

netsharc wrote: post #64
encom wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole cultue of Apple is so weird, and kind of appalling. Just the fact that their press conferences are broadcast, and they're held in front of an audience that applaud everything the presenter says, and laughs at his jokes. People "live blog" it, like some bizarre court stenographer. And 1.000 threads are posted on HN about Apple keybords having been made even worse. Again. It's not healthy.

I remember seeing a video of a Musk presentation. It was like that too, but Musk was so awkward and charmless, it was so cringe-enducing.

So is Cook and so was Jobs. It's extremely cringe-enducing for someone not part of the cult.

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Post by jevgeni »

webmobdev wrote: post #57
john_minsk wrote: post #28

I just paid for 12 months worth of Skype subscription which I have used for just 2 calls back in January. I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. Once I subscribed to New York times. The newspaper that was advertised to me for years in all Hollywood movies as a place where honesty and freedom are of highest priority. I had to spend an hour on a phone with their representatives to cancel it…

> I want ALL my subscriptions to go through Apple Pay and App store. You do so only because you believe have no choice as you know that your democracy is so crippled that you don't expect them to protect your rights as a consumer any more! Where as many Europeans and Asians, who also enjoy democratic rights, will tell you openly that we would prefer that our democratically elected government protect our consumer righ…

First of all, as a European, I'm not sure what you are talking about. Try cancelling your mobile contract in Germany early.

Secondly, I might want to buy/subscribe to things that come from companies outside of EU.

Re: Falling Out of Love with Apple, Part 3: Content and Censorship

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Post by _qulr »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #77
laurent92 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always find it funny when people describe the beliefs of middle-ages as bigoted, believing God more than Galileo (or so the legend says) when clearly today, some masses clearly believe in states being the originator of public good, and some corporations being worth worshipping. Civilizations have evolved, but humans still be humans ;)

I agree it's rather silly for an adult to have a strong emotional attachment to a corporation. I can understand a child feeling that way about the company behind their favourite products, but it seems unbecoming in adults. The best example might be Apple 'fanboys'. (I don't know of a gender-neutral term here. Fanboy implies an excess of appreciation, but fan means something weaker.) I don't see that it has much to do…

> I don't know of a gender-neutral term here. Fanboy implies an excess of appreciation, but fan means something weaker.

I would say "fanatic". Of course the word "fan" is derived from "fanatic", but perhaps the fact that "fan" is a shorter word implies less zeal than the longer word.

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