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Re: Teddit: a free and open-source Reddit front end focused on privacy

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It be more correct to say what grishka said above: "that will mess up screenreaders though" But if it's more accessible depends on the target user. If you're target are IE users or users with very old browser versions, for one reason or another, more accessible would be to use the CSS toggle trick. But if indeed your target user are users using screenreaders and using recent browsers, then details and summary element…

Accessibility is specifically about making things accessible to those with disabilities. Unless you are making a joke about the intelligence IE users or those using old browsers, accessibility isn't about maximizing potential reach.

Accessibility is often thought of as just making things accessible to people with disabilities, but it's not just that. Accessibility is mainly about maximizing the reach, not just for people with disabilities but people in any situation.

For example, people who live in South America usually have a lot worse internet connection, and more likely to be on mobile networks, than people in the west. If you're audience is mainly in South America, working on making your application accessible, means making sure your application has low bandwidth usage, can deal with high latency and jitter, and works well for phones.

One only has to look at the definition of the word "Accessibility" to see why you're wrong: "accessibility - the quality of being able to be reached or entered - the quality of being easy to obtain or use - the quality of being easily understood or appreciated".

Not sure where the focus on people with disabilities came from, it's important, but accessibility is much bigger than just that.

Re: Teddit: a free and open-source Reddit front end focused on privacy

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It's a valid concern, but the app is open-source, so you can download it and run it yourself locally if you want. Looking at the README I bet it would take about 5 minutes to create Dockerfile for this.

The “privacy “ comes from proxying the connection to Reddit. If you run it locally every post viewed will be seen by them.

I understand your concern now.

There are many layers to privacy. If you want privacy from both Reddit and Teddit, then it sounds like a VPN is what you need.

I think Teddit's focus on privacy is the removal of ads, tracking beacons and other analytics that the official Reddit front-end includes, perhaps at the cost of - as you put it - having Teddit track your actions via proxy instead (although you're not logged in, so all they get is your IP).

If you run it locally then you remove the proxy problem but then you are talking directly to Reddit, but - unless you use a VPN - that seems unavoidable.

So pick your poison, or add another layer like a VPN to the mix.

Re: Teddit: a free and open-source Reddit front end focused on privacy

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Switch to DuckDuckGo and don’t get AMP pages again. You can also use !g at the start of your search to try Google’s results. Search quality is good and I only check Google occasionally when I know I’ve found the answer that way before but it’s not one of the top results on DDG. I haven’t measured but I think this saves me time.

I used DDG for years but switched to Google and StartPage because DDG just doesn’t work well for the types of searches I tend to perform. I found myself using !g for everything.

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Re: Teddit: a free and open-source Reddit front end focused on privacy

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Accessibility is specifically about making things accessible to those with disabilities. Unless you are making a joke about the intelligence IE users or those using old browsers, accessibility isn't about maximizing potential reach.

Accessibility is often thought of as just making things accessible to people with disabilities, but it's not just that. Accessibility is mainly about maximizing the reach, not just for people with disabilities but people in any situation. For example, people who live in South America usually have a lot worse internet connection, and more likely to be on mobile networks, than people in the west. If you're audience is…

> Not sure where the focus on people with disabilities came from

You are right, accessibility _can_ take into account degraded environments, but if you don't know why disabilities are focused on, that suggests to me you are philosophizing on the word, and not addressing actual technical standards that have been put in place. Just google it

Re: Teddit: a free and open-source Reddit front end focused on privacy

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There's a weird paradox... I believe in privacy/free speech/etc, however any social media targeted at those usecases tend to be a cesspool of horribleness.

Scott Alexander in one of the essays said it right. He did look at Voat as an example when he did. His quote (from point III) > if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if w…

I scrolled through the comments to see how many times this link will be posted, because this is the best answer to why censorship sucks, but somehow lack of censorship usually doesn't improve things.

However, sometimes I think that the concept of "web forum" is fundamentally broken, and need to be rethought properly, instead of making the same mistakes over and over again, because the whole thing is just incompatible with our instincts and needs.

Probably the greatest design mistake is having a front page that is shown by default to people who are not logged in. Because then it matters a lot what gets on this page and what does not. (Somewhere else in this thread people pointing at the front page of Voat. Somewhere else, people complaining about posts being removed from the front page of Reddit despite getting many votes by readers.) If you have one front page, there is going to be a war about what gets there. And the winner will most likely be a censor or a spammer; either someone with superior rights, or someone who dedicates most effort.

Compare with e.g. e-mail. You do not have one global front page of e-mail, so that people could become hysteric for there either being too much of X or not enough X. You have literal Nazis sending e-mails to other literal Nazis, and yet e-mail itself does not get the image of a "Nazi supporting technology". Probably also because other people's e-mails cannot be easily found and linked on Twitter.

Which leads me to another design mistake: making things public by default, as opposed to private by default. Public things can be linked, share, and wars started about them. What about having a limited exposure for everything instead? So that an anonymous user cannot see anything. Just like with e-mail. Just like with real life.

Why do people keep making these mistakes repeatedly? I believe it is because they optimize for profit through advertising, not for optimal debating experience. And making people yell at each other for 24 hours a day is the approach that maximizes ads shown.

But also users... they don't really want to be exposed to the worst parts of internet, and they don't really like the idea of being censored... but they like the possibility of being potentially read by tons of people... not realizing it means either online wars or censorship. It is hard to design a system that will show your content to uncensored masses, without something bad happening as a result. (But it isn't necessarily impossible. In real life, we have books that can reach millions, and yet the readers are not instantly interconnected with each other, or with the author.)

So I think the proper design should mimic these things from real life: talking to each other, debating in small groups, publishing books. No sharing. If I tell you something, you can quote me by copying my words (just like you can quote me in real life), but there is nothing in the software that will confirm that I truly said that. If I publish a book, you can't automatically find out who else is reading it; you can only ask the people you know, and they may deny it; even I cannot find out who read my book, unless people tell me. Probably a few more rules. In some sense, many of these are "anti-features" that prevent you from doing something that would start an avalanche.

Then you can have a platform with seven zillion witches, but as long as you do not add them as your friends, you will not be impacted by their existence. The only way to find out about their activity is to join them. The system is not optimizing for having you join as many debates as possible. It is the other way round: you need some of your friends to introduce you to the existence of witches, then you may ask to join them, then maybe they will accept you. Only then will the witchcraft content start appearing on your screen.

Re: Teddit: a free and open-source Reddit front end focused on privacy

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The “privacy “ comes from proxying the connection to Reddit. If you run it locally every post viewed will be seen by them.

I understand your concern now. There are many layers to privacy. If you want privacy from both Reddit and Teddit, then it sounds like a VPN is what you need. I think Teddit's focus on privacy is the removal of ads, tracking beacons and other analytics that the official Reddit front-end includes, perhaps at the cost of - as you put it - having Teddit track your actions via proxy instead (although you're not logged in,…

Are VPNs really private? It feels like VPNs are the best way to centralize data about people who are worried about their privacy or have something to hide. How trustful are the most popular VPN companies? In the end, you do run 3rd party software and send all your data through 3rd party servers.

Re: Teddit: a free and open-source Reddit front end focused on privacy

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Are there any sites that are a complete alternative to reddit instead of just a different frontend? I found https://dev.lemmy.ml/, but they don't seem at all concerned about privacy. They have no privacy policy, so I found a site that generates a privacy policy for them, & they still haven't added a privacy policy.

Re: Teddit: a free and open-source Reddit front end focused on privacy

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Are there any sites that are a complete alternative to reddit instead of just a different frontend? I found https://dev.lemmy.ml/ , but they don't seem at all concerned about privacy. They have no privacy policy, so I found a site that generates a privacy policy for them, & they still haven't added a privacy policy.

Speaking of, are there alternative Reddit backends? It would be interesting to be able to take one of these sites or Reddit apps and point it at an alternative backend that provides identical functionality with different data.
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