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Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by airstrike »

msla wrote: post #18
Munksgaard wrote: post #14

I think gemini[0] is an interesting alternative to the regular internet. It's deliberately designed to avoid many of the things making the web terrible[1]. 0: https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ 1: https://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/faq.html

Thinking of Gemini as an "alternative to" the Internet means you think of the Web as "the Internet" and I thought that we'd be a bit more technically savvy than that here. Also, there's no real technical reason Gemini-the-protocol can't serve HTML, but that discussion is probably dead, too.

> and I thought that we'd be a bit more technically savvy than that here.

That part wasn't needed. Please be kind.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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cortesoft wrote: post #8

This article basically describes how the current internet was created.... why would this new internet end up any different? You can't expect every person to be skilled enough (and with the time and desire) to be their own network administrator, so someone will have to run the network for those people... and they will need to be compensated for that work... and some people will be really good at running that network,…

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Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by olah_1 »

spurgu wrote: post #40
lazyjones wrote: post #29

I stopped reading at "would-be dictators like Trump".

Probably going to (and should) be downvoted as well, but... while I respect republican/conservative views, how can you not see that this moron is the epitome of a shitty wannabe dictator? He's used all his power to try to falsely prove that the election was a fraud (while building up for it all summer), and failing miserably at it. He would definitely try any other viable means if could. I don't even know what his ac…

> I don't even know what his actual "policies" are

Of course you don’t. Orange man bad.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

k33n wrote: post #38

> Would-be dictators like Trump and others across the globe use the Internet to bend both people and institutions to their will using misinformation and fear. Once Trump is gone, who will the simpletons hate? Elon Musk, probably.

Why do you assume hating on Trump is the exclusive domain of simpletons?

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

k33n wrote: post #39
lazyjones wrote: post #29

I stopped reading at "would-be dictators like Trump".

I made a similar comment. Both will be flagged and removed soon. If there's one thing HN hates, it's people who don't hate Trump. It's sort of ironic that this article purports to be "anti establishment" and then parrots a the most establishment-friendly talking point imaginable.

I downvoted you, but I don’t hate you or your ideas. I just disagree with them.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

Discussing torrents: > people were more easily able to access the things they needed without being forced to ask or pay for permission to have them.

Haha. We’re not talking about folks stealing bread to feed their family. We’re talking about people stealing entertainment.

There’s a lot wrong with big media corporations: DMCA takedown notice misuse, copyright for life of the artist + 75 years, exploitative contracts, and so on. But let’s be honest, watching movies and show you didn’t pay for is theft. Rationalize it however you want, but it still theft.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by cxf12 »

spurgu wrote: post #40
lazyjones wrote: post #29

I stopped reading at "would-be dictators like Trump".

Probably going to (and should) be downvoted as well, but... while I respect republican/conservative views, how can you not see that this moron is the epitome of a shitty wannabe dictator? He's used all his power to try to falsely prove that the election was a fraud (while building up for it all summer), and failing miserably at it. He would definitely try any other viable means if could. I don't even know what his ac…

Read the Trump administrations policy views at whitehouse.gov

It's right there in the open.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by selfhoster11 »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #33
blindgeek wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a blind person, I dearly miss the textual Internet as it was. The original Internet -- the textual one -- was perfectly accessible. The extra markup added to HTML to help screen readers was added because the web stack had gotten too complex, not because it was too simple.

The lang attribute added to the span tag in HTML really helps with ensuring that a screenreader outputs quoted foreign-language text in that language, instead of just pronouncing gibberish. And this tag and attribute go pretty far back into the 1990s, it is not part of the modern-web-gone-mad. So, similar markup is one of those little things that Gemini should have thought about from the very beginning, and it would…

Foreign language text could potentially be auto-detected. You could either use some sort of an NN based approach, or use an algorithm like the one that browsers use for detecting the text encoding of a page where that's not given.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by hossbeast »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #47

Discussing torrents: > people were more easily able to access the things they needed without being forced to ask or pay for permission to have them. Haha. We’re not talking about folks stealing bread to feed their family. We’re talking about people stealing entertainment. There’s a lot wrong with big media corporations: DMCA takedown notice misuse, copyright for life of the artist + 75 years, exploitative contracts,…

The piece could be made a lot more effective by acknowledging this.
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