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More than 1,200 Google workers condemn firing of AI scientist Timnit Gebru

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But how many applaud it? (In secret because supporting this is something you might get fired for...)

You might get fired for... supporting your bosses' decision to fire someone?

Some people have a stance they chose, that this is some Daily Mail "political correctness gone mad" thing, because SJW cultural domination controls all our lives. They're working through some cognitive dissonance.

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Google has close to a 100k employees. I wonder how the other 99% feel. This is America no one is stopping her from starting the next google and crushing google. This reminds of the Chappelle skit when keeping it real goes wrong. She published a paper without getting it reviewed talking shit about google. I am sure she was generously compensated. If she wants to talk shit about google she should probably do it when sh…

Why would she not work there, no company is perfect. Plus working there provides her with a particularly good insight when it comes to criticizing Google. This is why so many of us look down on the US and their ease of firing people that don't buy into the groupthink.

This is not an example of "firing people that don't buy into the groupthink."

She gave an ultimatum: either doxx the people who said her paper was unfit, or she quits. Google didn't give into her demands so accepted her resignation and moved her end date up because of her browbeating.

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She gave her employer an ultimatum, threatening to quit if she didn't get her way. They called her bluff. I don't see how that is the same as being fired.

At that point she was on her way out, one way or another; most employers would rather not work with people like this.

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A draft copy of the disputed paper was posted over in Reddit, if this is of interest to anyone: https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/k77sxz/d_t... https://gofile.io/d/WfcxoF

Whether or not I agree with the conclusions, that’s exactly the sort of paper one might expect to be written by someone whose job title includes the words “ethics” and “AI”. I’m not sure what Google expected.

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Google has close to a 100k employees. I wonder how the other 99% feel. This is America no one is stopping her from starting the next google and crushing google. This reminds of the Chappelle skit when keeping it real goes wrong. She published a paper without getting it reviewed talking shit about google. I am sure she was generously compensated. If she wants to talk shit about google she should probably do it when sh…

Her job was AI ethics research. Also, she did get it reviewed and it was accepted, as Jeff Dean's letter confirms. Management just changed their mind and decided the review procedure wasn't enough because they realized they didn't want someone taking their AI ethics job seriously.

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She gave her employer an ultimatum, threatening to quit if she didn't get her way. They called her bluff. I don't see how that is the same as being fired. At that point she was on her way out, one way or another; most employers would rather not work with people like this.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would she not work there, no company is perfect. Plus working there provides her with a particularly good insight when it comes to criticizing Google. This is why so many of us look down on the US and their ease of firing people that don't buy into the groupthink.

This is not an example of "firing people that don't buy into the groupthink." She gave an ultimatum: either doxx the people who said her paper was unfit, or she quits. Google didn't give into her demands so accepted her resignation and moved her end date up because of her browbeating.

Wanting to know which coworkers are raising feedback in a process that does not provide for anonymous feedback in the first place is not "doxxing" them.

(EDIT: Note that this particular process was not a peer review process - academic peer review is done by people from another institution, and selected by the venue after submitting a paper. This was a pre-submission internal review process which has never been billed as academic peer review.)

Re: More than 1,200 Google workers condemn firing of AI scientist Timnit Gebru

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She gave her employer an ultimatum, threatening to quit if she didn't get her way. They called her bluff. I don't see how that is the same as being fired. At that point she was on her way out, one way or another; most employers would rather not work with people like this.

I think the subtle, yet important, difference is that she said she would quit by a certain date and they terminated her immediately.

Given her role is likely just for PR it seems rather foolish not to at least give her two weeks notice or something.

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Google has close to a 100k employees. I wonder how the other 99% feel. This is America no one is stopping her from starting the next google and crushing google. This reminds of the Chappelle skit when keeping it real goes wrong. She published a paper without getting it reviewed talking shit about google. I am sure she was generously compensated. If she wants to talk shit about google she should probably do it when sh…

"This is America no one is stopping her from starting the next google and crushing google." aren't you tired of drinking from the ideological kool aid?

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I thought she offered her resignation and they accepted?

She offered to resign on a particular schedule to work out things with her team if they insisted on retracting the paper. They terminated her employment immediately, while she was on vacation, because of an email she sent to the ERG about it, and they didn't even inform her direct manager. Whatever they accepted, it wasn't the resignation she offered. (And even if they had done so, I expect the folks here to remain u…

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