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Microdosing: Improving performance enhancement in intelligence analysis (2019) [pdf]

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Re: Microdosing: Improving performance enhancement in intelligence analysis (2019) [pdf]

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A few years later, those US marines will be quite surprised to learn that they are barred for life from possessing firearms.

This is not true. US law only bans “current users” of drugs from possessing firearms. On top of this, the statute requires you to be “actively engaged” in the use to be counted which means the prosecutor has to piece together a paper trail of arrests, transactions, or testimony to prove this.

Re: Microdosing: Improving performance enhancement in intelligence analysis (2019) [pdf]

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This was the end of 50s early 60s, seems we still did stuff like lobotomies. Idk if I can blame law makers for not taking psychiatry seriously at the time." LSD was made illegal in 1968, so actually it was the late 60's (right at the peak of social unrest and reactionary backlash in the US), and they took psychiatry very seriously then, but they didn't ban lobotomies, just LSD. It was pretty clearly a moral panic. H…

The op I responded to > I'm pretty sure the tendency for LSD users to ethically object to war or other offensive violence is exactly why the US decided it should be treated as more dangerous than crystal meth The point I was trying to make > It was pretty clearly a moral panic. Had absolutely nothing to do with science. It has nothing to with being anti war, lawmakers panicked when it became a recreational drug and d…

"california and nevada made lsd illegal in 1966"

So still the late 60's, not "the end of 50s early 60s".

"It has nothing to with being anti war, lawmakers panicked when it became a recreational drug and didn't know what to do"

It was a recreational drug long before it was made illegal, and the illegality had nothing to do with it being a recreational drug, but rather had to do with panic over sensationalized media stories about LSD's involvement in things like the Manson murders, and Art Linkletter's daughter committing suicide.

LSD's role is Linkletter's daughter's suicide is highly questionable, as are all the urban legends at the time of people frying their eyes out by staring at the sun under the influence of LSD, or their chromosomes breaking because of LSD, etc. Yet sensational media coverage like this, along with a panic over "look what all these crazy kids are doing! They're having orgies and frying their brains on LSD!!!", combined with LSD's association with the anti-war movement and the counterculture (including Leary very publicly telling kids to "drop out", LSD being associated with "free love", etc), which shocked and outraged the very conservative powers that be is absolutely what led to it being banned.

LSD use was basically seen as a threat to established social order.

Re: Microdosing: Improving performance enhancement in intelligence analysis (2019) [pdf]

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When I was a child and teen I was a hyperactive, unstimulated, bored, D- student. Ritalin drastically changed that and I was getting A's and teachers described me as a whole different person. I would too: it made me antisocial and jittery and basically robbed me of my humanity. Since then I've found drug-free strategies to manage my intellectual/social Jekyll and Hyde. The idea of performance enhancing drugs making t…

> The idea of performance enhancing drugs making their way into the workplace arena scares me a lot. You say that as if it hasn't already happened, Adderall has been ubiquitous for years. At my last office job we had an intern from out of state miss work abruptly because she couldn't get her Adderall prescription filled, and, I shit you not, skipped work to fly to Nevada to fill her out of state 'script because CA ph…

I've been on adderall since I was 17. I'm 32 now. Almost more of my life has been spent on it than off it.

I've been productive in a variety of ways. Some examples are listed on my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/shawwn but I feel silly bragging about comparatively minor accomplishments in ML.

But I know for a fact that without adderall, I wouldn't have done a damn thing. I've tried for a few months. Shrugged and went back.

Her flying to Nevada is completely understandable. CA pharmacies are some of the worst in terms of this medicine. I've experienced it firsthand.

Is it so hard to believe that I'd probably be a potsmoker working at a grocery store if I hadn't had adderall? Not that there's anything wrong with potsmoking nor working at a grocery store, but it's not ML.

I advise empathy. Try. And I wish I could put it more eloquently why it's worthwhile. Her missing work for a few ays is equal to a coworker getting sick for a few days. Your reaction is why so many keep their lives private.

I myself have gone from Missouri to IL to fill a script. A few hours' drive is nothing. Fun road trip.

Most recently, a person (who wasn't me) found themselves in CA unable to fill their script because their doctor wasn't licensed in CA. They literally just tell you "Sorry, can't do it." What are you supposed to do?

It's easy to say "Well, just deal with it." And we do. Let me cast a sleeping spell on you and see how well you do. You're getting verryyy sleeeppyy... you'll have a rough week.

Re: Microdosing: Improving performance enhancement in intelligence analysis (2019) [pdf]

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post #48

As a marine, this is just unbelievable to see in the Marine Corps Gazette. What a strange timeline.

I always had the impression that the armed forces have a hands off approach to drugs, while its the federal government that puts the foot down.

Re: Microdosing: Improving performance enhancement in intelligence analysis (2019) [pdf]

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When I was a child and teen I was a hyperactive, unstimulated, bored, D- student. Ritalin drastically changed that and I was getting A's and teachers described me as a whole different person. I would too: it made me antisocial and jittery and basically robbed me of my humanity. Since then I've found drug-free strategies to manage my intellectual/social Jekyll and Hyde. The idea of performance enhancing drugs making t…

Remember wfh for a week to finish a project well behind schedule due in part to depression. 20 hour work days on Adderall while watching breaking bad from start to finish. The only food I ate was cereal and the occasional McDonald's. Good times

Re: Microdosing: Improving performance enhancement in intelligence analysis (2019) [pdf]

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're all on caffeine already and no one is clutching pearls over it. How is taking harder drugs any different other than in effectiveness?

Whenever threads mention caffeine I am compelled to share that caffeine has no effect whatsoever on me. To my sadness, it feels like I'm excluded from a common universal community and performance advantage

Caffeine has a serious effect on me - it makes me jittery and screws up my sleep. I gave up caffeine in the late 80s - to my happiness, actually. I consider it a competitive advantage.

Re: Microdosing: Improving performance enhancement in intelligence analysis (2019) [pdf]

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Only a matter of time before we are expected to take drugs to be better at our jobs.

There's a web comic about something like this: https://www.powernapcomic.com/. The story is set in a world where the majority of people take a drug that eliminates the need for sleep, but the main character is allergic? to it so suffers a "handicap" for being what we would call normal.

Re: Microdosing: Improving performance enhancement in intelligence analysis (2019) [pdf]

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That purported Einstein quotation set off some red flags: “No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."

Seems that he never said it, if this Quora answer is to be believed (and it seems reasonable): https://www.quora.com/Einstein-said-that-you-cannot-solve-a-....

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Caffeine wears off quickly, and seems to be good for you. I go off cold turkey once in a while, and the worst I've ever gotten is a week of mild headaches.

Caffeine forms an addiction in a few weeks, and requires increasing doses just to keep you normal . What's good for you are other parts of the coffee bean. I avoid taking caffeine with any regularity, let alone daily. This is why I can get a full kick from a cup when I need it.

Hmm, I've kept a pretty steady dose of coffee across years without needing such an increase over time. A day with zero coffee is, indeed, not fun. But we live in the future and coffee is really available everywhere always. And even if the supply chains crash, it'll be a bad week and then I'll be fine...
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