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Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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The author of Existential Comics offers some advice:

https://existentialcomics.com/blog/1/How_to_study_philosophy...

I like courses or philosophical works, which focus on a common themes, common threads. That allows one to see more connections across different thinkers.

One instance of this is John Vervaeke's Awaking from the meaning crisis (which isn't only philosophy, but also cognitive science).

Other courses like that are those from John Searle (philosophy of language, philosophy of mind).

Hubert Dreyfus has a course on existentialism in literature and film.

Thinking of it, there is also a channel called Like Stories Of Old. The maker publishes video-essays, which are often philosophical in tone and reference existential thinkers like Kierkegaard.

My own journey into philosophy started with Wittgenstein (apart from an introduction in Greek Philosophy in high school).

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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You might try: https://www.openculture.com/philosophy_free_courses Introduction to Logic Ancient Philosophy For quick reference: https://iep.utm.edu/ For the first few months at least, I'd suggest staying away from more modern philosophers like Kant, Nietzsche, etc. For the most part, classical education up until the last century studied the history and classics first, because they made more sense and endured that ti…

Actually, I found watching The Good Place to be really enjoyable in part because of how well it acted as an introduction to philosophy and ethics.

There's some great scenes explicitly addressing concepts like utilitarianism and it's ups and downs, moral desserts, classic examples like the Trolley Problem, and relativism that, at least for me, made those concepts much more accessible when I was doing more reading later on because I already had some sort of concrete idea of how those concepts addressed certain (fantastical) situations.

It's also just a wonderful show, and I think it's worth recommending on its own merits, but there's definitely some actual value there as an accessible intro to several different aspects of philosophy.

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

#65
Just my 2c below.

I went down a similar path over the last few years. Here is what didn't work well for me:

- Reading books on the history of philosophy summarizing a wide range of ideas from famous philosophers. Examples would be Bertrand Russell's and Anthony Kenny's books. The problem I found is that there's just too much stuff in there that is not of interest to me personally.

- Reading books by author. For example, just reading through Plato's dialogues never worked for me, again because the topics are vast and varied, and many are not of interest to me personally.

What worked for me are diving into specific topics that interested me deeply. In my case: political philosophy, the question of the existence of "God", and topics pertaining to morality and ethics. (There also happens to be a nice overlap across these topics making it easier for me.)

Starting out is the hardest part. I find that the first books you pick seem to set the stage for one's worldview to a large extent. That's just a correlation from personal experience, not necessarily causation. My basic approach to not blindsiding myself to specific views has been to work my way up through history to understand how the ideas and arguments pertaining to a topic evolved over time. I found that during this phase I have to actively suppress my natural impulse to immediately criticize arguments I come across; I rather assume that I missed something. The next phase for me is to actually dig deeper into some of those criticisms that came up, and see if they hold up.

Next, pick your translations very carefully. Research the best translations for each book before purchasing. /r/askphilosophy and /r/philosophy are great resources for this and the deep-dive phase of your research.

A final piece of advice: read slowly. Comprehension is king when it comes to philosophy. I was reading, re-reading, and parsing through 2-3 pages per hour when I started out. This is mostly because many terms that you wouldn't think are technical turn out to be (for example, Aristotle's use of the term "motion" refers to something much more expansive than what we think of motion as today). However, on the bright side, that speed tends to go up (slightly) over time as you become familiar with the area.

So to summarize: my recommendation to you for developing a personal philosophy is to ask questions first, and then seek out answers that you judge on their merit, regardless of who wrote them.

TLDR: Ask questions first, read widely second, and think for yourself.

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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post #63
post #45

You might try: https://www.openculture.com/philosophy_free_courses Introduction to Logic Ancient Philosophy For quick reference: https://iep.utm.edu/ For the first few months at least, I'd suggest staying away from more modern philosophers like Kant, Nietzsche, etc. For the most part, classical education up until the last century studied the history and classics first, because they made more sense and endured that ti…

Actually, I found watching The Good Place to be really enjoyable in part because of how well it acted as an introduction to philosophy and ethics. There's some great scenes explicitly addressing concepts like utilitarianism and it's ups and downs, moral desserts, classic examples like the Trolley Problem, and relativism that, at least for me, made those concepts much more accessible when I was doing more reading late…

I love The Good Place and only recently realized that even the characters might be loosely based on some "Gnostic" beliefs (Valentinianism, etc), like the judge (e.g. Sophia).

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can safely ignore hegel as I am afraid that if you don't ignore hegel you may think philosophy is useless after you get through 20 pages of any of his works. Kant may also be a stretch for someone whose new - even the "idiots guide" versions of his works that he wrote because his other works were criticized in his own time for being hard to read The rest listed here are good - but IMHO you should always start wit…

Hegel is useful to read if only because he had a meaningful impact on others (whether inspiration/building upon him or, at the very least, reacting to him.) But I could be convinced that spending an hour wrapping one’s mind around the Hegelian Dialectic is enough of an 80/20. Similar with Kant. Bang your head against the categorical imperative at least. It’s a concept to be familiar with. I agree that a deep read of…

For Hegel I’d just say read a short modern secondary source that summarizes the main ideas and traces their influence on subsequent thinkers. Honestly the main point of knowing about Hegel anyway is because he deeply influenced Marx, Kierkegaard, Sartre, and many other philosophers that you might actually want to read and apply to your life and worldview. Peter Singer’s Hegel: A Very Short Introduction is short, clear, and has all the information you’d need (https://www.amazon.com/Hegel-Short-Introduction-Peter-Singer...).

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

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post #48

Generic advice: skip the classics and read a modern introductory text about them. If your goal is to understand , why would you read Newton rather than an entry-level college textbook?

I agree with this. I never understood why philosophy is always structured as a history of the subject. It would be like learning math from a history of math class. I would like to see a philosophy course which starts from a modern perspective and references the history as secondary.

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

#69
The podcast The History of Philosophy without any gaps is a great way to get into it. I found the philosophy of the pre-socratics all the way through to the scholastics was easy to understand and grasp as a lay person. After that, the language gets a bit dense. However, I was still able to understand it.

https://historyofphilosophy.net

Re: Ask HN: Learning about philosophy

#70

The best way to learn about philosophy is to take a good introductory course. Books aren't nearly as good because you won't get to discuss the ideas with other students who are also learning the subject, which is half the fun and half the point of philosophy. You'll also miss out on the insights and explanations of the professor, which will be very valuable, if the professor is any good. As for books, the Socratic di…

This is such a good point. Pretty much any human endeavor (philosophy, startups, physics, mathematics, literature, music, art, physical training, etc) can be much more fruitful when done in collaboration with others who are also trying hard. This is why cutting edge research continues to be done in universities, and why YC is so successful. As a fan of both analytic and continental philosophy, I can also confirm that…

> Outside the Eurocentric philosophy bubble, it can be harder to disentangle philosophy from religion, culture, and myth, but that's part of the fun.

maggie thatcher didn't say "all problems come from outside europe". she said "in my lifetime all our problems have come from mainland europe and all the solutions have come from the english-speaking nations of the world"

i think you're a bit mistaken about the nature of the analytic-continental divide

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