This is Real, That's Not

Post by gfxgirl » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 8:02 PM UTC

jake789 wrote: post #34

gfxgirl wrote: post #14

> Growing up, I kind of thought "Most people are just nice." I had no means to figure out how much was natural charm, how much was me dressing well... > Being homeless taught me that, no, most people absolutely are not just nice. I know this will get downvoted but AFAIK most people see homeless people themselves as "not nice" as in "it's not nice to foist your problems on the rest of us", "it's not nice not to take r…

Yh, everything you’ve stated is incorrect. We all live in a society, homeless people included. If everyone has to truly fend for themselves, why should anyone follow the rules? Who’s to stop people from taking whatever they want? And before you state that policing will force them to, who will force the police? So to answer the question you never asked, yes homeless deserve help just for existing, not for their sake b…

Post by fastball » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 8:05 PM UTC

tehjoker wrote: post #277

fastball wrote: post #265

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This is just nonsense. Right now, homeless people are not customers, meaning they are not making money off of those people, when they could be if those people were actually renters.

The argument is that would be penny-wise and pound-foolish. It also isn't penny-wise: homeless people don't have cash.

Post by scotty79 » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 8:10 PM UTC

fastball wrote: post #294

scotty79 wrote: post #271

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Do you doubt that plenty of people think that threat of homelessness is necessary motivation for people to work? Those people also think that some people being homeless is acceptable trade off given the motivational value of the threat and cost of paying for everyone's accommodation.

Yes, I do doubt that.

Post by headmelted » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 8:20 PM UTC

throwaway2245 wrote: post #285

headmelted wrote: post #278

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this, but also that: “ What £ of tax would the working class family contribute towards university education” Is not really fair to the issue. It’s not a cost for university education, because it’s not open to all - there are gatekeepers - and those from underprivileged backgrounds have very little chance of being accepted to the most prestigious institutions, so it’s unfair to expect them to pay for it, is essentiall…

My point is that people from underprivileged backgrounds realistically don't pay any different amount in tax and are only further removed from access. To repeat myself: "Their children take [accruing debt] to mean that they absolutely shouldn't go to university, no matter how capable they are." Tax pays for plenty of things that working class people don't use; it also pays for plenty of things that working class peop…

Post by tchaffee » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 8:39 PM UTC

timeeater wrote: post #297

tchaffee wrote: post #291

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> Is there any evidence for people becoming homeless because of skyrocketing rents? Plenty of it, it is one of the primary causes. But just to put it in concrete terms that should scare anyone, the average rent in San Francisco in 1994 was about $1000. By 2001 the average rent was $2300. [1] Consider that other living costs go up along with rent. > Are there no renter protections in the USA, anyway? Sometimes. But wh…

Rising rents are not evidence that rising rents are a major cause of homelessness. "what happens when you lose your job, and then lose your apartment as a result?" Then losing your job is the cause, not the rising rents. "So your theory is that rich people hire homeless people off the street to cater to them?" I could imagine many people migrate to those places to try to make their luck, because there are many opport…