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72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

#101

Jio (India) is super obnoxious in the fact that their own router is locked down hard. Now you cant even change your DNS. I have suggested few people to bypass this limitation by removing the router as dhcp and using pihole for that. That works but don't know for how long. The pathetic thing is their router does not even allow bridging mode. Fuck jio.

You can always put your own router in front of the ISP provided crap, pretty common to have to do that.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

#102

> Smart devices manufacturers often “hard-code” in a public DNS server, like Google’s 8.8.8.8, and their devices ignore whatever DNS server is assigned by your router - such as your PiHole. Going to be a sad day for those advertisers when the DNS project gets killed by Google. Hopefully they are smart enough to set a alternate as well.

I don’t understand the downvotes. Google has a long history of killing projects. Of all the public DNS to trust, why does anyone have confidence in Google? Because they’re big? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 1500 times...

There are two classes of Google products: ones that are small user applications, and ones that are core infrastructure internally and externally. As far as I know, only the former have a reputation for being EOLed.

DNS is the latter. Google’s RSS reader was the former.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Just don't buy smart TV, or any of that IoT crap. It is possible to buy 58 inch dumb TV, connect that to a machine you own.

Is it? I’m still holding onto my TV from 2014 because it doesn’t have “smart” functionality. Every time I look at new ones I can’t find good dumb ones.

The sales world you are looking for is a "panel", think something that goes on the wall at a convention center, or as a menu. They very muxh exist, and the stats are no B.S>

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

#104
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May be we start detaching the Smart into a separate box, or basically buying a large Monitor ? Is there such thing as 55" Monitor? The whole TV industry needs some new thinking and innovation. Right now it is race to the bottom and everyone is trying to get some extra revenues from Data gathering. There are also a huge oversupply from LCD panel maker.

That's why I have an Apple TV attached to a Television I have not connected to an internet ever.

>Apple TV

You don't connect your TV but use Apple devices instead. Uhm... okay. You should see the IDS log I'm looking at here. Apple !== no telemetry. All you are doing is putting all your eggs in one basket.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? I’m still holding onto my TV from 2014 because it doesn’t have “smart” functionality. Every time I look at new ones I can’t find good dumb ones.

Depends where you are looking. They are not often carried by big name stores because of a mix of lack of demand and manufacturer kick-backs for selling the smart ones. Any they are relatively expensive, for the same reasons. Another option is to buy a monitor not a TV, but again because of market scale you'll pay a lot more for a monitor that large. They don't sell enough to consumers for volume savings to kick in, a…

Displays - TVs without the tuner, are very pssibly to buy if you don't mind it beint shipped to you. The sector is a live and well, just not targeted to consumers.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

#106
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They appear to not be trustworthy to be on our networks - so we should: 1. Not join them to our networks 2. Stop buying 'Smart TV's' 3. Get panels and a smart box that you can control I'm lucky enough to be able to direct ALL DNS through my router first. Nothing gets out without my say so. Not everyone has that capability, sadly, with home routers. The solution provided by the OP is a solid one - another would be to…

>I'm lucky enough to be able to direct ALL DNS through my router first Even DNS over HTTPS? Do you do packet inspection? Just blocking ports doesn't do much any more. I run an IDS/IPS and it blocks lots of DoH to Google. Apple devices are even worse.

Would you mind sharing a bit more detail on your setup?

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point it is really tough to find devices that don't leak data like a sieve. I recently bought a car, and could not find one without a cellular modem and microphones. Removing the modem voids the warranty. The period where you can opt out is mostly over.

The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act of 1975 ensures that’s not the case in the US. I suspect something similar is true in EU. For the manufacturer to avoid a warranty claim due to a modification or aftermarket part, they must show that the defect was linked to the part or modification. They might have to show that it was caused by , but in any case, if your paint fails prematurely, they can’t say your warranty is void bec…

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Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

#109
post #85

May be we start detaching the Smart into a separate box, or basically buying a large Monitor ? Is there such thing as 55" Monitor? The whole TV industry needs some new thinking and innovation. Right now it is race to the bottom and everyone is trying to get some extra revenues from Data gathering. There are also a huge oversupply from LCD panel maker.

I heard that you can buy a dumb 55" monitor if you call it digital signage. Though these things are expensive because they're made for businesses.

Another option is to simply never give your smart TV any kind of network connection.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

#110
post #30

Just don't buy smart TV, or any of that IoT crap. It is possible to buy 58 inch dumb TV, connect that to a machine you own.

Is it? I’m still holding onto my TV from 2014 because it doesn’t have “smart” functionality. Every time I look at new ones I can’t find good dumb ones.

Yeah as others have said, the TV can't get online by itself, so you simply don't configure the "Smart" features and it should work just fine (although perhaps that is something to confirm before purchase).
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