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72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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I’m responsible for a bunch of IoT hardware, and every firmware spec I write includes a note on not using the DNS servers provided via DHCP. While sure there are companies explicitly doing this to avoid filtering, at least in my case it’s because a significant proportion of DHCP servers are configured to send DNS to your ISP, and ISP provided DNS is almost universally terrible. They’ll ignore TTLs, rewrite NXDOMAIN r…

How come you don't specify that it be configurable?

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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May be we start detaching the Smart into a separate box, or basically buying a large Monitor ? Is there such thing as 55" Monitor? The whole TV industry needs some new thinking and innovation. Right now it is race to the bottom and everyone is trying to get some extra revenues from Data gathering. There are also a huge oversupply from LCD panel maker.

That's why I have an Apple TV attached to a Television I have not connected to an internet ever.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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At this point it is really tough to find devices that don't leak data like a sieve. I recently bought a car, and could not find one without a cellular modem and microphones. Removing the modem voids the warranty. The period where you can opt out is mostly over.

The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act of 1975 ensures that’s not the case in the US. I suspect something similar is true in EU. For the manufacturer to avoid a warranty claim due to a modification or aftermarket part, they must show that the defect was linked to the part or modification. They might have to show that it was caused by , but in any case, if your paint fails prematurely, they can’t say your warranty is void bec…

To get 5 stars by EuroNCAP (and AFAIK EU law demands it too) the car have to call 911/112 automatically if it detect a crash. I doubt you can remove telemetry without also disabling this. If you do the car is illegal.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

#94

> Smart devices manufacturers often “hard-code” in a public DNS server, like Google’s 8.8.8.8, and their devices ignore whatever DNS server is assigned by your router - such as your PiHole. Going to be a sad day for those advertisers when the DNS project gets killed by Google. Hopefully they are smart enough to set a alternate as well.

I don’t understand the downvotes. Google has a long history of killing projects. Of all the public DNS to trust, why does anyone have confidence in Google? Because they’re big? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 1500 times...

https://killedbygoogle.com/

Per this site that tracks dead google projects, thus far they are at 220.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Is it? I’m still holding onto my TV from 2014 because it doesn’t have “smart” functionality. Every time I look at new ones I can’t find good dumb ones.

Try something like Samsung Signage Displays. Or look for "dumb-tv" category in Amazon and other sites.

those have different panels tunned for more ambient lighting and doesn’t have the same color and black reproduction of a good tv panel. just buy a tv and use an external player without connecting the tv to internet and you are set.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Is it? I’m still holding onto my TV from 2014 because it doesn’t have “smart” functionality. Every time I look at new ones I can’t find good dumb ones.

If you don't need any "TV" features such as a tuner or speakers, you might consider using a monitor. I use a 32" 4k monitor as my "TV". In my case, anything with a TV tuner requires an expensive license, so that's another motivating factor, but whenever I use someone else's "smart TV", I'm always relieved that I don't have to deal with glacial UIs and injected ads.

The ubiquitous display control boards with HDMI/VGA on one side and a FFC connector on the other sold... just about everywhere also don't have ads. (Yet.) So get a working panel, pair it with such a thing and you are off to the races!

User friendliness does fall behind a bit, I'll give that.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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They appear to not be trustworthy to be on our networks - so we should: 1. Not join them to our networks 2. Stop buying 'Smart TV's' 3. Get panels and a smart box that you can control I'm lucky enough to be able to direct ALL DNS through my router first. Nothing gets out without my say so. Not everyone has that capability, sadly, with home routers. The solution provided by the OP is a solid one - another would be to…

>I'm lucky enough to be able to direct ALL DNS through my router first

Even DNS over HTTPS? Do you do packet inspection? Just blocking ports doesn't do much any more. I run an IDS/IPS and it blocks lots of DoH to Google. Apple devices are even worse.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Honestly there is no scenario where your TV should have Internet access. Setup Kodi and you're done.

What about Netflix? Can I have Netflix in Kodi (in a raspberry)? Honesty asking.

Not sure about raspberry, but I use Kodi to watch Netflix all the time and it works well :)

See: https://github.com/CastagnaIT/plugin.video.netflix

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Mine quite happily works as a dumb TV without a connection, and I know many others who do the same. Though I hear stories of TVs being annoying to use without a connection (timing out waiting for a server response that can never come, before falling back to an ad free menu, or just constantly nagging, even while content is playing, about the lack of connectivity).

My 'smart' TV has no internet connection configured as I use a Chromecast for streaming services and beaming local content.

That you know of.. Alexa auto-connects to other Alexa networks (like your neighbors). Some TVs have Alexa built-in. Bingo, telemetry.
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