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Excess mortality from March to December of 2020

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Re: Excess mortality from March to December of 2020

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What do you mean? Those things will still be recorded normally.

I mean people will point to all-cause excess mortality as a justification to say "Coronavirus killed X million people" even if half of those were lockdown deaths.

Right. We'll have to wait but they will come to light. To be clear, excess could be due to:

1. COVID 2. From hospitals overwhelmed by covid cases 3. From behavior change due to fear of covid (not presenting w MI) 4. From policy changes made to combat covid (e.g. school close - diminished prosperity - lower LE)

Re: Excess mortality from March to December of 2020

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I'm very confounded by the "Excess mortality by age group" data in the US. It _appears_ as if the mortality increase is _almost the same for all age groups_, especially at the beginning and after the initial hump. 15-64 yr olds had a 32% higher chance of dying at the hump and stayed above 11% for most of the year. Wow. All the previous findings were that COVID is _extremely unlikely_ to kill you if you are under 50,…

It's proportional. The excess mortality increases by ~10% across the board but the base mortality rate for younger demographics is much lower.

Re: Excess mortality from March to December of 2020

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post #28

I'm very confounded by the "Excess mortality by age group" data in the US. It _appears_ as if the mortality increase is _almost the same for all age groups_, especially at the beginning and after the initial hump. 15-64 yr olds had a 32% higher chance of dying at the hump and stayed above 11% for most of the year. Wow. All the previous findings were that COVID is _extremely unlikely_ to kill you if you are under 50,…

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Re: Excess mortality from March to December of 2020

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I know at least one person who’s having problems exacerbated by lack of mobility. Atrophy in old people can be a big problem. I would not go so far as to support anyone claiming this is why we should be breaking quarantine, but can’t quite support racking them all up as COVID deaths either. Reality is somewhere between the two (but close to “most” than “few”)

I am confused by this. Either this person is only mobile in indoor spaces for some reason or this person lives somewhere they were doing police checkpoints if you leave your house (like Bangalore). I've spent at least 2x more hours outside, walking, riding bikes, hiking, hitting golf balls, etc. There's nothing else to do but be outside. The fact that I don't have to go into the office and no longer can or want to vi…

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Re: Excess mortality from March to December of 2020

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post #24

How can we separate out deaths of despair (suicides, overdoses, etc.) brought on by lockdowns?

More people are dying per month from overdoses in BC, Canada right now than from COVID...

I don't know what you think this proves.

The lack of people dying from ebola doesn't justify not containing ebola.

Re: Excess mortality from March to December of 2020

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know at least one person who’s having problems exacerbated by lack of mobility. Atrophy in old people can be a big problem. I would not go so far as to support anyone claiming this is why we should be breaking quarantine, but can’t quite support racking them all up as COVID deaths either. Reality is somewhere between the two (but close to “most” than “few”)

There are quite a few risk increases associated with general shutdown. This is one with large impact. Another large impact is mental illness, in particular presenting in suicide and substance abuse. On the other side, many other common risks are reduced: workplace injury, other transmissible ailments. If the purpose of the analysis is to determine whether the preventive measure is effective and not overwrought, an ex…

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Re: Excess mortality from March to December of 2020

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Excess mortality seems like the best way to track the pandemic because determining whether someone died of covid can be debatable sometimes, but there can be no debate over whether someone died.

The problem is that due to significant and pervasive behaviour changes, other forms of mortality and altered.

In some places, there are apparently many fewer people dying from the flu, because, well, we're isolated from one another!

Similarly, fewer car accidents. Suicides are probably altered, as well as violence in some cases, in particular domestic violence.

People forgoing treatments for any host of disease due to either fear of going to the clinic, or delayed treatments.

etc..

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