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Re: Down Here, They Sometimes Call It 'Boy'

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Post by throwanem » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 1:14 AM UTC

valuearb wrote: post #6

Ironically as I started to read this I was holding my Oxycodone vial and contemplating taking one. And now I am. At least my impulse is because of post-surgical pain, and hopefully will fade with the pain.

Most likely.

It's not the drug that feels good; it's the respite from pain, and that only by contrast. Lacking that contrast, the drug induces only a profound, if temporary, physical and emotional numbness. It's not pleasurable, because it's not anything; it's as close as anyone alive can get to being dead. Unless that's something you want, you need have little fear of prescription opiates - just as much as is consistent with a healthy respect for, and avoidance of, the risks that come with their benefits.

Re: Down Here, They Sometimes Call It 'Boy'

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Post by smabie » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 1:18 AM UTC

throwanem wrote: post #11

valuearb wrote: post #6

Ironically as I started to read this I was holding my Oxycodone vial and contemplating taking one. And now I am. At least my impulse is because of post-surgical pain, and hopefully will fade with the pain.

Most likely. It's not the drug that feels good; it's the respite from pain, and that only by contrast. Lacking that contrast, the drug induces only a profound, if temporary, physical and emotional numbness. It's not pleasurable, because it's not anything; it's as close as anyone alive can get to being dead. Unless that's something you want, you need have little fear of prescription opiates - just as much as is consis…

That certainly hasn't been my experience, and I have a quite extensive history with opiates. They feel fucking awesome. But obviously the pleasure received is different for different ingestion methods, and also different types of opiates.

Re: Down Here, They Sometimes Call It 'Boy'

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Post by tekstar » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 1:34 AM UTC

valuearb wrote: post #6

Ironically as I started to read this I was holding my Oxycodone vial and contemplating taking one. And now I am. At least my impulse is because of post-surgical pain, and hopefully will fade with the pain.

I don't know the details of your surgery but I've been prescribed narcotics three times post-surgery and have always halved my prescribed dosage after day 2 and stopped completely by day 5. Then we bring the extras To get destroyed at a drug drop off (local pharmacies offer this here)

Re: Down Here, They Sometimes Call It 'Boy'

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Post by throwanem » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 1:35 AM UTC

smabie wrote: post #12

throwanem wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely. It's not the drug that feels good; it's the respite from pain, and that only by contrast. Lacking that contrast, the drug induces only a profound, if temporary, physical and emotional numbness. It's not pleasurable, because it's not anything; it's as close as anyone alive can get to being dead. Unless that's something you want, you need have little fear of prescription opiates - just as much as is consis…

That certainly hasn't been my experience, and I have a quite extensive history with opiates. They feel fucking awesome. But obviously the pleasure received is different for different ingestion methods, and also different types of opiates.

I think there's more variance to it than just that. I wouldn't call my experience with them "extensive", but neither am I a blushing naïf, and I've never found them to be pleasurable for their own sake. Granted, this may in part be due to the fact that my only encounter with heroin was as part of a luckily failed attempt at sexual assault, but it's not as if I've never tried prescription opiates for recreational purposes, and I'm told by those who should know that IV Dilaudid, which I was once given during an ER visit for what turned out to be a stuck kidney stone, is comparable to heroin in its effects and subjective experience. Later in the same visit, I was offered a second dose, but turned it down; something about the CT contrast I'd been given had by then moved the stone and alleviated the pain, or maybe it had just moved on its own, and I found nothing in the effects of the drug to desire for its own sake.

On the other hand, I've known people who haven't been so lucky, and have ended up badly hooked. I suppose I shouldn't have spoken so positively about what opiates are like, when I can only really speak with confidence about what they're like for me.

Re: Down Here, They Sometimes Call It 'Boy'

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Post by nyolfen » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 1:57 AM UTC

throwanem wrote: post #14

smabie wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That certainly hasn't been my experience, and I have a quite extensive history with opiates. They feel fucking awesome. But obviously the pleasure received is different for different ingestion methods, and also different types of opiates.

I think there's more variance to it than just that. I wouldn't call my experience with them "extensive", but neither am I a blushing naïf, and I've never found them to be pleasurable for their own sake. Granted, this may in part be due to the fact that my only encounter with heroin was as part of a luckily failed attempt at sexual assault, but it's not as if I've never tried prescription opiates for recreational purp…

i think your experience is idiosyncratic; for most people, opiates feel very pleasurable

Re: Down Here, They Sometimes Call It 'Boy'

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Post by titanomachy » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 1:59 AM UTC

mathieuh wrote: post #4

I was on heroin for a few years and I live in the UK. I had managed to keep it hidden for maybe 18 months but eventually it become obvious and my mother started organising help. Within a week we had some people from the local drugs outreach charity turn up at the house with free Naloxone IM kits and they trained us how to use them. A couple of weeks after that I was assigned a counsellor whom I would meet regularly a…

It's good that you can get all that sterile equipment to inject safely. To me the weird bit is that you're necessarily using it to inject very non-sterile heroin with unknown adulterants that you've bought from a (by definition) criminal enterprise. I hope that at some point doctors are able to provide opiates for addicts as further harm reduction.

I know there's been some emergency COVID policies put in place in parts of Canada that allow morphine to be prescribed for that purpose (and possibly hydromorphone, but not heroin since Canada unlike Britain doesn't allow medical use of heroin).

Re: Down Here, They Sometimes Call It 'Boy'

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 2:13 AM UTC

titanomachy wrote: post #16

mathieuh wrote: post #4

I was on heroin for a few years and I live in the UK. I had managed to keep it hidden for maybe 18 months but eventually it become obvious and my mother started organising help. Within a week we had some people from the local drugs outreach charity turn up at the house with free Naloxone IM kits and they trained us how to use them. A couple of weeks after that I was assigned a counsellor whom I would meet regularly a…

It's good that you can get all that sterile equipment to inject safely. To me the weird bit is that you're necessarily using it to inject very non-sterile heroin with unknown adulterants that you've bought from a (by definition) criminal enterprise. I hope that at some point doctors are able to provide opiates for addicts as further harm reduction. I know there's been some emergency COVID policies put in place in par…

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Re: Down Here, They Sometimes Call It 'Boy'

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Post by Cactus2018 » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 2:20 AM UTC

jcims wrote: post #9

valuearb wrote: post #6

Ironically as I started to read this I was holding my Oxycodone vial and contemplating taking one. And now I am. At least my impulse is because of post-surgical pain, and hopefully will fade with the pain.

FWIW about eight years ago I was involved with a local group that was drawing focus to the young people in our small rural/suburban community that were addicted to heroin. Through the course of a year we had eight of these young adults come and essentially give their addiction testimony. To a person the story was this: - high school sports injury - prescription for oxycodone - oxycodone dependency develops - physicia…

> - prescription for oxycodone

or Codeine or Hydrocodone

Those high school football back injuries are tragic

Re: Down Here, They Sometimes Call It 'Boy'

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Post by IAmGraydon » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 2:30 AM UTC

throwanem wrote: post #11

valuearb wrote: post #6

Ironically as I started to read this I was holding my Oxycodone vial and contemplating taking one. And now I am. At least my impulse is because of post-surgical pain, and hopefully will fade with the pain.

Most likely. It's not the drug that feels good; it's the respite from pain, and that only by contrast. Lacking that contrast, the drug induces only a profound, if temporary, physical and emotional numbness. It's not pleasurable, because it's not anything; it's as close as anyone alive can get to being dead. Unless that's something you want, you need have little fear of prescription opiates - just as much as is consis…

Have you used? Because you’re wrong.

Re: Down Here, They Sometimes Call It 'Boy'

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Post by jimmaswell » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 2:51 AM UTC

mathieuh wrote: post #4

I was on heroin for a few years and I live in the UK. I had managed to keep it hidden for maybe 18 months but eventually it become obvious and my mother started organising help. Within a week we had some people from the local drugs outreach charity turn up at the house with free Naloxone IM kits and they trained us how to use them. A couple of weeks after that I was assigned a counsellor whom I would meet regularly a…

> No one wakes up first thing and thinks "Hmm, I think I'll try shooting heroin today".

I couldn't help but remember the story of SpontaniousH on reddit.

https://reddit.com/r/MuseumOfReddit/comments/68srty/spontane...

> I've heard so much about it and how crazy addictive it is and seen it in the movies and TV (I'm thinking The Wire here, one of my favorite shows) and it really started to intrigue me. I've always wondered what it would be like to do Heroin. Out of no where I say I'll take the H and we do the deal there.