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US House passes federal cannabis decriminalisation bill

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Re: US House passes federal cannabis decriminalisation bill

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This means very little while the republicans control the senate, I imagine.

I can imagine some GOP senators voting for this bill but I feel I have to get pretty imaginative to imagine it passing.

They'll never get a chance to vote on it, because the GOP leader McConnell has final say on what bills come to a vote.

The Senate is a deeply broken political institution. Every single Republican, by supporting Mitch McConnell as majority leader, is complicit in its destruction.

Re: US House passes federal cannabis decriminalisation bill

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The fact that this won't sail through congress in a week (it'll never even come up for a vote in the senate) really illustrates how out of touch legislators are with voters. If there was a nationwide referendum on legalizing (not just decriminalizing) it would pass in a landslide today. Instead, congress will dither on this issue for probably the next five years at minimum. I realize it's more complicated than giving…

Given the UN has officially recognized it as medicine, I don't think it would be too much of an issue.

Re: US House passes federal cannabis decriminalisation bill

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The fact that this won't sail through congress in a week (it'll never even come up for a vote in the senate) really illustrates how out of touch legislators are with voters. If there was a nationwide referendum on legalizing (not just decriminalizing) it would pass in a landslide today. Instead, congress will dither on this issue for probably the next five years at minimum. I realize it's more complicated than giving…

Maybe not "voters as a whole", but legislators know which side their bread is buttered on. This fell along party lines, and it won't come up in the Senate because it's controlled by the party that opposes it.

That party has the overwhelming favor of its constituency. They lost the top spot, but largely held their own in legislative elections. They may have a large contingent of people who would be in favor of decriminalization, but they don't seem to mind that their party obstructs it. Meantime, they have a constituency who is bitterly opposed to legalization, so they get to rule the day.

It's a discussion that needs to be held within that party. They won't listen to anybody from outside. They've made their bargain about a slate of issues they care about and issues they're willing to sacrifice.

Re: US House passes federal cannabis decriminalisation bill

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Really glad this passed, but we can't get COVID19 support and / or get some election reform.

There is even have video evidence of illegally adding and counting votes... but oh no! Can't discuss how to improve that process...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKkheU5cy2E

Frankly, while I agree with the legislation, but the entire country is angry (one way or another). We should probably try to address the real issues.

Re: US House passes federal cannabis decriminalisation bill

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Republicans don't actually stand for anything, other than "do the opposite of what Democrats want"

Comments like this add nothing. By this logic, the inverse is also true.

Republicans literally did not run a platform in the year 2020. They did not have one.

Democrats did.

It's easy to say "both sides" but the facts don't match that platitude.

Re: US House passes federal cannabis decriminalisation bill

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> not expected to advance further as long as the Senate remains in Republican hands. > “This legislation does not legalize cannabis across the country. It stops the federal government from interfering with what states have decided to do” In all seriousness, isn’t the Republican platform weaker central government? Why the exception?

Because the Republican party is, really more than anything else at this point, the party of white supremacy. Marijuana laws help prop up the existing paradigm, where black people are disproportionally harmed, a leftover (intentional) remnant of Nixon's inherently racist War On Drugs. Repealing that would help black people more than white people, thus the Republicans are against it.

It's unfair to say that. Everyone knows the Republican party is just really interested in checking people's birth certificates.

Re: US House passes federal cannabis decriminalisation bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Republicans don't actually stand for anything, other than "do the opposite of what Democrats want"

Comments like this add nothing. By this logic, the inverse is also true.

It is actually true that in 2020 the RNC didn't even bother to adopt a new platform [1] but instead pledged fealty to Donald Trump and explicitly, in their own words, "reject the policy positions of the Obama-Biden Administration,as well as those espoused by the Democratic National Committee today".

In their own words they define themselves by their opposition to democrats.

[1] https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/docs/Resolution_Platform_202...

Re: US House passes federal cannabis decriminalisation bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I imagine Democrats wouldn't do this if they had control of the government. Why not? It's already decriminalized in virtually the entire country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_U.S._j... 35 states have legalized it for medical use, and 15 have legalized it recreationally. From the map, it looks like Idaho stands alone on it being completely illegal and criminalized.

There is a really good point Democrats were almost universally against gay marriage until it cross the public support threshold. Looks at the stark difference between Obama on gay marriage in his first vs second term. If the polling shows enough people support it Democrats will pretty quickly flip to the support side of the issue if it goes anything like marriage.

Legalizing marijuana (67-32) is slightly more popular than gay marriage (61-31), and the crossover was at roughly the same time as gay marriage.

https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-ga...

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/11/14/americans-s...

Re: US House passes federal cannabis decriminalisation bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I imagine Democrats wouldn't do this if they had control of the government. Why not? It's already decriminalized in virtually the entire country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_U.S._j... 35 states have legalized it for medical use, and 15 have legalized it recreationally. From the map, it looks like Idaho stands alone on it being completely illegal and criminalized.

There is a really good point Democrats were almost universally against gay marriage until it cross the public support threshold. Looks at the stark difference between Obama on gay marriage in his first vs second term. If the polling shows enough people support it Democrats will pretty quickly flip to the support side of the issue if it goes anything like marriage.

To a certain extent, that's how representative government is intended to work.

Re: US House passes federal cannabis decriminalisation bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Republicans don't actually stand for anything, other than "do the opposite of what Democrats want"

Comments like this add nothing. By this logic, the inverse is also true.

>By this logic, the inverse is also true.

Except, it isn't.

in Obama's memoir, he recalls he and Biden trying to explain the policy merits of a bill to Mitch McConnell, who responds "You must be under the mistaken impression that I care”

https://mobile.twitter.com/jonmladd/status/13276522875195965...

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