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Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

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Post by pc86 »

MereInterest wrote: post #79
cyphar wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the US not have guaranteed vacation days? Here in Australia all non-casual workers must be given 20 days off a year (which in my view is actually too little -- in Europe workers get even more guaranteed days off). EDIT: This doesn't count public holidays, we have 10 or so public holidays (depending on your state) in addition to your vacation days.

Nope. The US has no federal mandate for vacation days. Zero, zilch. The typical amount for full-time employees is 10 days vacation per year. [0] https://www.footholdamerica.com/faqs/employing-a-us-worker/h...

I think you'd be hard pressed to find 10 days as a software developer. Every place seems to advertise 15 and 20 is becoming more common, especially if you ask for it during the interview process.

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

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Post by blonde_ocean »

CommanderData wrote: post #17
dahfizz wrote: post #7

> The right to disconnect refers to a worker’s right to be able to disengage from work and refrain from engaging in work-related electronic communications, such as emails or other messages, during non-work hours.[1] What does that even mean? Is the EU also going to come out with the "Right to breathe" and the "Right to go to the bathroom when you need to"? I'm really frustrated with how the term "right" has been wate…

Rights aren't a thing until done by law. Otherwise you are at mercy of company policy or whims of your employer.

From a US Constitutional perspective, rights are inherent, and the Bill of Rights protects citizens from laws that infringe on those rights. Rights are not given by the government via laws, they are inherent protections from invasive laws set by government.

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

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Post by jbverschoor »

IshKebab wrote: post #55
jbverschoor wrote: post #44

IIRC France already has some measures in place

As does the UK. You can write off £6/week saving you a whopping £100 over the year (assuming lower rate tax). Better than nothing at least!

I meant that employers get fined if they email you outside working hours. And I heard some companies simply delete email outside working hours.

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

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Post by brnt »

pc86 wrote: post #133
brnt wrote: post #130

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I'm... stunned. I knew you guys had it bad with (typically) less than half the holidays that we get here, but this is a whole other level.

Unfortunately it's just not accurate. See my sibling comment.

Thanks!

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

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Post by bonestormii_ »

jusssi wrote: post #140
gtfoutttt wrote: post #115

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>I know people that connect everyday from home to the office network to work one or two hours (extra) otherwise it's impossible to keep up with the workload. Then the work doesn't get completed on time! That's bad management not hiring enough people, not the fault of the employee. SMH y'all IT people need a union.

It's the difference between a junior and a senior. The latter has better expectations of what one can get done in an average workday, and the confidence to push back with "sorry, looks like this thing's more work than expected, going to need another two days for it". Btw. Looks like the Great America is woke and hates you for the word 'union' you used in your comment.

The "confidence" of senior people to push back is greatly enhanced by the fact that they won't be expediently fired for doing so. And even so, plenty of senior positions suffer from this situation as well. I'm living this hell right now.

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Post by eeZah7Ux »

hobs wrote: post #101
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #91

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Seems like roughly the right solution. Sick days should exist to protect people who are unfortunate enough to get sick. Bad luck shouldn't cost you your pay, your job, or your holiday days. Sick days should not be a simple pool of days off that you get to treat as equivalent to holiday days. This approach has the effect of (further) rewarding people who are lucky with their health, and incentivises not taking sick da…

That's a huge waste of a doctor to get a note saying someone has the snuffles or diarrhea. In america you have to realize that getting that note would actually cost people money and time.

> someone has the snuffles or diarrhea.

Or a very serious and debilitating disease!

> In america ... that note would actually cost people money

Then fix the problem.

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

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Post by mamon »

pc86 wrote: post #118
hobs wrote: post #101

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That's a huge waste of a doctor to get a note saying someone has the snuffles or diarrhea. In america you have to realize that getting that note would actually cost people money and time.

Not only that but how many people can get into a doctor the same day for the note? If they get sick on Monday you're potentially forcing someone to choose between unpaid time off, burning a day of PTO, or going into the doctor's office Wednesday or Thursday (if they're lucky) and saying "I feel find but had a cold Monday, can I get a note?" And how to juggle the logistics of that Wed/Thur doctor's visit with work? I…

> Not only that but how many people can get into a doctor the same day for the note?

No, it doesn't work like that in Poland. You can just call it in, saying "I'm sick" and then go to the doctor. Doctor's note can cover up to 3 days before the visit.

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Post by unicornfinder »

_wldu wrote: post #123
vfc1 wrote: post #106

You got to admit that the EU at least has the courage to take some controversial measures in the best interest of their people. I can't see this soon enough, I have family that answer emails in vacation all the time, that get phone calls like its nothing. I know people that connect everyday from home to the office network to work one or two hours (extra) otherwise it's impossible to keep up with the workload. Most ma…

I agree. Working from home (due to covid) has become "working all the time" for many of my friends and family.

It absolutely has for me, but at the same time I don't mind it too much because the gains from being able to work from home have been worth it for me.

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

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Post by phkahler »

I make it a personal policy not to connect to work email, VPN, or other stuff from home. Just dont set it up. I also dont bring a laptop home. Don't enable yourself. And if you must, use their laptop or phone and simply turn it off at the end of work day. Have solid boundaries on this, if your boss complains talk to HR or get a new job. This is not unreasonable and they know it.
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