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Justice Department Sues to Block Visa's Proposed Acquisition of Plaid

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Re: Justice Department Sues to Block Visa's Proposed Acquisition of Plaid

#91

I don't see how any activity here helps an alternative to cash for payments. I'm not even fussed about anonymity here: visa/mastercard seem to provide a nationalizable service at an extremely poor quality and cost. We really deserve much better as both payers and payees.

That’s interesting; yes, the government owns the Mint and is responsible for bills and coins; why don’t they provide the digital Mint as well?

Re: Justice Department Sues to Block Visa's Proposed Acquisition of Plaid

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In a competitive industry with high fixed costs and low _marginal_ costs, a race to the bottom often leads to pricing less than _average_ costs and a reduction in service quality (or inability for providers to replace infrastructure consumed in providing service.

But that argument completely ignores the consequences to prices less than average. If you drop your fees so low your customers get pissed, well then, you'll loose customers. Or if you can't afford to maintain infrastructure, then you'll lose customers due to your unreliability. A race to the bottom is the reason we have 60" flat screen TVs that are better quality and cost a fraction of what a similar TV cost 10 years…

An idealised race to the bottom which just eats into excessive profits would be great. But typically companies want to maintain their margins, so it's the staff that get squeezed, or the service, or the ethics, or all of the above.

And it often ends up warping the market so that choice is removed, a premium economy does not always spring up. To take your TV example, modern mainstream TVs now bundle spyware/malware/adware. Yes the hardware is better than it was, but it is being invisibly subsidised by the reduction in ethical standards. And now none of the major players can now afford not to do it if they want to compete. Is this exactly what people wanted? The market no longer offers allows them to choose and they aren't being fully informed about the implications.

It's really a failing of marketing - being unable to continue to justify the price of a product (whether it was warranted or not).

Re: Justice Department Sues to Block Visa's Proposed Acquisition of Plaid

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The only problem with the “race to the bottom” with airlines is the lack of tools to allow easy comparison of like with like, which in turn means airlines don’t (yet) have many different sized seats and service levels on a plane. One day we’ll see flight aggregators that allow you to specify how much luggage you have, how tall you are, what kind of seat you want, if you want a decent meal, etc, and will give you a un…

In Europe, trains are somewhat closer to this and are in every way superior in my relatively limited experience. The difference when you go something like Paris > London is night and day compared to the horror that is flying.

Except trains are so damn expensive in Europe. Insanely so. Where flights can be a lot cheaper.

Re: Justice Department Sues to Block Visa's Proposed Acquisition of Plaid

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I'm curious if this line of reasoning could extend to app stores and their 30%

Apple charges approximately 10x the market rate for credit card processing for IAPs.

That is not all they provide.

Re: Justice Department Sues to Block Visa's Proposed Acquisition of Plaid

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But that argument completely ignores the consequences to prices less than average. If you drop your fees so low your customers get pissed, well then, you'll loose customers. Or if you can't afford to maintain infrastructure, then you'll lose customers due to your unreliability. A race to the bottom is the reason we have 60" flat screen TVs that are better quality and cost a fraction of what a similar TV cost 10 years…

An idealised race to the bottom which just eats into excessive profits would be great. But typically companies want to maintain their margins, so it's the staff that get squeezed, or the service, or the ethics, or all of the above. And it often ends up warping the market so that choice is removed, a premium economy does not always spring up. To take your TV example, modern mainstream TVs now bundle spyware/malware/ad…

We could fix it with better regulation of product information though.

No one seriously argues against weights and measures legislation. We've supposedly had an information revolution but I still can't really trust any source of product information online.

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Apple charges approximately 10x the market rate for credit card processing for IAPs.

That is not all they provide.

There is the argument that they provide the app distribution, and the store, and all that, yes. But that's included in the paid developer subscription: free apps get all that and their devs pay nothing more.

I cited IAPs specifically because Apple is indeed only providing the payment system, there. There's no download or anything else (already paid for, via the developer program anyway).

Re: Justice Department Sues to Block Visa's Proposed Acquisition of Plaid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a competitive industry with high fixed costs and low _marginal_ costs, a race to the bottom often leads to pricing less than _average_ costs and a reduction in service quality (or inability for providers to replace infrastructure consumed in providing service.

But that argument completely ignores the consequences to prices less than average. If you drop your fees so low your customers get pissed, well then, you'll loose customers. Or if you can't afford to maintain infrastructure, then you'll lose customers due to your unreliability. A race to the bottom is the reason we have 60" flat screen TVs that are better quality and cost a fraction of what a similar TV cost 10 years…

I agree with everything in your comment save for a small quip about terminology.

When you wrote "as some failing of capitalism", I believe the economic concept of "market forces" would have conveyed the same message better, compared to the larger concept of capitalism, which is essentially a political ideology that can trigger disagreement from people who have benefited from competing political ideologies like socialism.

Essentially, what I'm getting at is that a race to the bottom can happen as long as there are market forces at play, even if the society itself is not running a pure capitalist system like China (which IMHO is a cross between capitalism + communism vs. capitalism + democracy).

For instance, Uber China was forced to quit in 2016. They sold to rival Didi Chuxing because they couldn't keep up with the race to the bottom by them.

Re: Justice Department Sues to Block Visa's Proposed Acquisition of Plaid

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"Plaid has become the leading financial data aggregation company in the United States. Plaid is planning to leverage its connections to build a bank-linked payments network that would compete with Visa. Plaid’s money movement platform would allow consumers to pay merchants directly from their bank accounts using bank credentials rather than a debit card. Plaid’s established connections and technology uniquely positio…

It is quite a fascinating scenario. Apple and Google wallet are integrated into the credit card processing infrastructure. So they don't compete with Visa, their payments still go over Visa's rails. Plaid's killer feature has always been their private access to APIs that the banks won't give to anyone else. It's essentially like they're using modern web APIs while everyone else is using snail mail (i.e. ACH, bank tra…

So why not force the opening of the walled garden in law then? The EU has PSD2 now which forces all banks to have open APIs. We have multiple Plaid-like competitors providing the platform on top of those APIs. But it wouldn't have happened without regulation.

Generally innovating through regulation is bad and I don't support it. But I think the aversion to it in the US is what creates these monopolies in the first place and in this specific use case, I think it's a faster way to solve the problem.

This is an example of what becomes possible (no card details and low fees):

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/29/truelayers-payments-api-le...

Re: Justice Department Sues to Block Visa's Proposed Acquisition of Plaid

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My experience using plaid with Schwab, on which I have MFA, is that you need to add an MFA code to your password when connecting the two. It works for some duration (a few days?) and then loses sync and you have to re-enter the password+MFA combo.

Do you literally concatenate the two? I've been wondering how to get plaid to work with my accounts that have MFA.

Nah, Plaid's UI handles it natively. If it's required, Plaid will prompt you during the connection process with the same steps and any questions you'd encounter doing it directly on Schwab's website - "do you want a text or call" and then "enter the code" steps.

Re: Justice Department Sues to Block Visa's Proposed Acquisition of Plaid

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> The complaint alleges that Visa’s CEO viewed the acquisition as an “insurance policy” to protect against a “threat to our important US debit business.” This quote makes it sound like Visa is acting monopolistic, which is the behavior they don't want to see. Rest of the paragraph > This acquisition is the second-largest in Visa’s history, with an extraordinary price tag of $5.3 billion. Visa’s CEO justified the deal…

Yeah, the Justice Department may not have scrutinized this acquisition all that much, but this guy said the quiet part out loud.

It's unclear where these statements come from, but I find it hard to imagine they were meant to be public, the CEO would know better. Most likely they were internal conversations that got leaked or conversations that got logged which were part of some sort of warrant/information request.

Or you're right and CEOs of huge multi-international companies are a lot more stupid than we previously thought.

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