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AWS just went multi-cloud

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Re: AWS just went multi-cloud

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Didn’t AWS just move some of their infrastructure off of oracle because it basically took them a decade to figure out how?

Yes and AWS also built multiple database types to meet their needs. Is your company going to do the same?

What? No, but that's my point. Even a company like Amazon was locked-in to a vendor. I'm not saying people should build their own databases but that this is a move in the right direction.

Re: AWS just went multi-cloud

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Anyone who is not concerned about lock in is a fool. There are many fools in business.

I would note that F500 companies are going to have the resources to move out of lock in if it came down to it, and AWS sales management knows it and would have to negotiate costs with that in mind. Smaller scale companies than the F500 that don't have that kind of leverage have to concern themselves more w/ lock-in.

"Oops, your outgoing bandwidth is now 1000x more expensive"

Re: AWS just went multi-cloud

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Anyone who is not concerned about lock in is a fool. There are many fools in business.

Everything in life is about risk vs reward. Platform lock in is a risk. The reward is faster time to market, thus making more money earlier, thus having more means to ameliorate your risks.

Imagined faster time to market. In reality, you just end up spending more time trying to debug black boxes.

Re: AWS just went multi-cloud

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Anyone who is not concerned about lock in is a fool. There are many fools in business.

Any of the companies I've worked with (and I've worked with many) are large enough and have been around long enough to understand that re-architecting apps, doing lift-and-shifts, re-training employees, or anything like that is an inevitable cost of doing business that is going to happen every couple of years no matter what, so any time fretting about "lock in" would ultimately be a waste of time. And perhaps more im…

> companies I've worked with (and I've worked with many) are large enough and have been around long enough to understand that re-architecting apps...is going to happen every couple of years no matter what

Like the commentator you responded to said. There are many fools in business.

Re: AWS just went multi-cloud

#115

I wonder if Amazon’s theory here is that by offering multi-cloud support they can put decision makers at ease when choosing cloud vendors by making them feel like they’re not getting locked into AWS - but Amazon also expects most customers to mostly only use AWS out of convenience Disclaimer - I used to work for AWS

I've worked as a consultant in this area for years with large F500 companies and not once have I heard anyone actually be concerned with the "lock in" boogeyman. There used to be a lot of concern around general trust of the cloud, which drove people to stick to on-prem servers. But "lock in", IME, is only something people fret about on HN. What I think is happening is that companies are starting to gain more experien…

Fortune 500 sure. But mid and small business have 0 negotiation power, it's extremely expensive to migrate data, and they can't afford a legal battle(as threat).

Re: AWS just went multi-cloud

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Don’t forget their ElasticSearch version. Now that is a shit show.

Why is it a shit show?

This article neatly outlines some of it. Unfortunately I didn’t go digging and got enticed by the marketing in the end.

https://spun.io/2019/10/10/aws-elasticsearch-a-fundamentally...

Re: AWS just went multi-cloud

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Unrelated but is ACG a good learning platform? I'm never sure with these types of platforms because I am not interested in any certifications and such, so it is hard to tell whether they just teach the stuff needed for these certifications and nothing more...

ACG employee here so grain of salt, etc - but I paid for an ACG subscription long before I worked there. My favorite piece of ACG actually isn't even the courses, but "Cloud Playground", which came over in the recent Linux Academy acquisition. [0] One-click AWS, Azure, or GCP sandbox environments. They're live for 4 hours on ACG's credit card and people sometimes assume they're just for doing course labs, but, like,…

Yep, I love that feature and they provide a grandfather / lock in policy for accounts.

It isn't a perfect platform but the breadth and centralization has been great and the communication following the acquisition has been good. It is well worth the cost of entry.

The demos are valuable as well since they start you with certain infrastructure and you can focus on the drill/demo.

I would love to see some of the Terraform/Cloudformation templates that go into these products...

Re: AWS just went multi-cloud

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I wonder if Amazon’s theory here is that by offering multi-cloud support they can put decision makers at ease when choosing cloud vendors by making them feel like they’re not getting locked into AWS - but Amazon also expects most customers to mostly only use AWS out of convenience Disclaimer - I used to work for AWS

I've worked as a consultant in this area for years with large F500 companies and not once have I heard anyone actually be concerned with the "lock in" boogeyman. There used to be a lot of concern around general trust of the cloud, which drove people to stick to on-prem servers. But "lock in", IME, is only something people fret about on HN. What I think is happening is that companies are starting to gain more experien…

This is my experience as well. It is definitely one of the things that HN worries a lot more about than any CTO I know from tiny startups to billion dollar businesses.
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