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AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google

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Re: AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google

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This isn't the email that she sent with conditions she wanted met. Apparently she said she would resign if those conditions were not met, and the response to that email is that she was fired.

Where is the email with the conditions? It sounds like she gave a stupid ultimatum but until it's public it's hard to know.

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> And you are told after a while, that your manager can read you a privileged and confidential document and you’re not supposed to even know who contributed to this document, who wrote this feedback, what process was followed or anything Interesting. Having been on the receiving end of a (later proven to be bogus) HR complaint, this is exactly how it was handled. I was forced to respond to allegations where neither t…

That's how it is supposed to work. If you complain to HR about your manager how can they reveal your identity when your manager controls your performance review and compensation?

If the complaint is about academic research in a research institute, then there needs to be a different process. It's typically a fairly conservative idea, in fact (see: Chicago Principles [1]).

[1] https://provost.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/documents/r...

Re: AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google

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This was a vent: https://randsinrepose.com/archives/the-update-the-vent-and-t...

    Then you try to engage in a conversation about how this is not acceptable and people start doing the opposite of any sort of self reflection—trying to find scapegoats to blame.
The message was clear, stop! The paper rubbed someone the wrong way. Go rewrite it on your own without any references to Google and publish it. I've been in tech for a long time. In nearly every org turnover was minimal on the engineering side of the house versus sales who dropped like flies every quarter. The only people who were ever laid off were those who routinely rocked the boat. Getting some sense of that here.

Re: AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google

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This is a very frustrating email, only because there seems to be a very significant issue at the heart of it — a research paper that is allegedly being suppressed by Google management for some reason -- and this email largely seems to omit that in favor of unrelated disagreements with management and “process”. It’s like trying to find an astronomical body that only shows up through its gravitational impact on other bodies: a lot of chaff, with something very heavy and unseen in the center.

Re: AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google

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Corporations and their managers care only about making money and maintaining good vibes to produce a positive business environment. Only unions engaging in strikes and outside pressure can force them to change materially. All these internal committees and such are just PR. By the way, that part about unions and strikes also applies to the joined at the hip government as well.

Unions have historically been some of the most racist and discriminatory organizations in the USA.

That is irrelevant. Pointing out that unions have effected negative changes or engaged in discrimination internally in the past is not an argument against the idea that they're necessary to force positive change.

Re: AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google

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Chief AI Scientist at Facebook, Yann Lecun, quit Twitter after a back and forth with this particular AI researcher - https://syncedreview.com/2020/06/30/yann-lecun-quits-twitter... >I’m always amazed at how people can continue to do thing after thing like this and then turn around and ask me for some sort of extra DEI work or input. This happened to me last year. I was in the middle of a potential lawsuit for which K…

Just as an FYI, LeCun has not actually quit Twitter, he still posts stuff on there. For those curious I wrote up a more detailed summary of the episode (https://thegradient.pub/pulse-lessons/). TLDR, imho he was a bit unthoughtful in how he communicated with a more junior researcher, and got some respectful flack from it from various people, it was not that big a deal. But of course you can make up your own mind on that.

In any case, Timnit Gebru (this particular AI researcher) has been recognized as having done some pretty important work in AI ethics. Sounds like this whole thing is messy, but thought I'd mention that for more context.

Re: AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unions have historically been some of the most racist and discriminatory organizations in the USA.

This is so unhelpful and dumb. The US has historically been one of the most racist and discriminatory organizations in North America. Does that mean we shouldn’t engage the US? Does that mean the US can’t be less racist? Does that mean the US isn’t a tool we can try to use to make the world a better place? Unions provide countervailing power to corporate power. Racist people are racist. Sometimes these can overlap.

Unions historically in America have been massive front organizations for mobsters and mafia. Check out the Teamsters - there are many many other examples.

Does that make them racist? Of course not. But they have absolutely been discriminatory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Brotherhood_of_T...

Re: AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google

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Wow. Outside of the issues discussed, this email was not what I would expect from senior manager. The language is all over the place. It is rambling. It is not unintelligible, but is far from an easy read. It seems like something dictated into a machine rather than something composed on a keyboard. If you are not confident in your use of language but still want to go out in a blaze of glory, make sure someone QCs your final speech.
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