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> I'm underrepresented and I never felt like one What does this mean? That you don't feel like the race you actually are because you don't play the race card? I hope I misread that and there is a more charitable explanation.
There is only one human race right? I don't see people in colors sorry
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I'd never heard of this fight before, so I just looked it up. My interpretation is that he made that claim, Gebru responded by claiming that that was an overly reductionist view of things (given, presumably, the fact that biased assumptions could affect the coded assumptions as well as the training data), he maintained his opinion, and she felt frustrated that she didn't feel she was being listened to. I did not see…
Here’s a good summary: https://www.google.com/amp/s/syncedreview.com/2020/06/30/yan... I think it’s clear Gebru was acting in bad faith and LeCunn was baffled and trying to deescalate. Gebru responds to each attempt to deescalate by a reply designed to further rile up Twitter, without actually talking to any of the points LeCunn makes. Virtually all of her replies are some variant of “you are wrong, but I won’t say w…
The comments here are weird right now. They seem overly focused on the spat she and Yann LeCun had a while back when it doesn't seem like this incident is about that? Hopefully some clarification comes out about what her demands were and the internet drops their pitchfork about something that happened long ago
All this says is, she sent a mail to Brain Women and Allies that resulted in her immediate termination. Does anyone else remember when she picked a fight with Yann LeCunn by deliberately misinterpreting his remarks to cast him as a racist? Seems reasonable to assume she picked another fight. Reading the Twitter threat, it reads like she made demands in a way visible to a large number of employees (something about aut…
It's not "reasonable" to assume "she picked a fight". It's not "reasonable" to fire someone for "picking a fight", whatever that is. It's awful how people are willing to be so charitable to Google here after doing the exact opposite in Damore's case.
(BTW This is actually the fun part of the Damore story: the guy think he is smart by explaining how "evolution" makes gender different but misses the ABSOLUTE main point of evolution which is that "to survive to an environement you must fit in it". He didn't fit in the google environement, he got fired.)
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To me, it stinks like a convenient excuse to remove someone who was difficult to work with. Only last week she slandered her bosses on Twitter, which is a public forum.
Matthew Garrett, a senior security researcher at Google, is very critical about Google on his Twitter all the time. As he has pointed out, he's still very employed. https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1334382463498391557 Neither of us are on her team at Google. (I'm certainly not and I doubt you are.) We have no idea how easy it is to work with her. Certainly if I were working with an AI ethics researcher I would expect…
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If someone says (in nicer words) "Do X or I'll resign" and the company doesn't agree to those terms, it's best to accept the resignation immediately because the employee's interests aren't aligned with the company's. It's also pretty common in roles like sales and PR to be shown the door the day you give notice, especially if you're going to a competitor.
This is really obviously clear to the point wherein it shouldn't be a discussion. Anyone with two years in any industry has to know this. If you make an ultimatum to your employer, and they don't want to accept, assume that it's over, right then and there. Unless you're Michael Jordan, or have some kind of really existential terms with the company.
But at the very least, I'd guess that this will make any potential future employer think twice if they really want to be her manager.
And lastly, I remember the name Jeff Dean from reading about advanced AI research, so if someone publicly says "Jeff Bean says XY is unbearable", I'd be inclined to just believe it.
All in all, this looks to me like Timnit Gebru could improve her career chances by being a bit more diplomatic with her public announcements.
> So I've been immediately fired :-) Who ends that sentence with a smiley?
The comments here are weird right now. They seem overly focused on the spat she and Yann LeCun had a while back when it doesn't seem like this incident is about that? Hopefully some clarification comes out about what her demands were and the internet drops their pitchfork about something that happened long ago
It's a pattern of behavior. She had a thread just last week calling her employers "a bunch of privileged White men" and complaining that they were disrespecting her by not letting her work on some unspecified research project. https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331757629996109824
[1] https://twitter.com/negar_rz/status/1334369747241218050 [2] https://twitter.com/dylnbkr/status/1334395186705702913 [3] https://twitter.com/L_badikho/status/1334393782310227970 [4] https://twitter.com/alexhanna/status/1334348137616568321 [5] https://twitter.com/dylnbkr/status/1334372430437994500
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I hope with this episode and Coinbase, SV will lead the fight against toxic SJWs. I’ve always thought only SV has the freedom and power to start this fight. Then academia and other institutions can follow and ride the momentum.