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Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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Are airlines even obliged to disclose the type of plane? One of them even changed the type of plane and destination airport (same city though) for one of my flights.

I don't think they're obligated, but Delta does provide that information currently.

Probably because they have none of these planes and no plans to add them.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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> Maybe they should have bit the bullet and fully redesigned the 737 That's EXACTLY what they didn't want to do. Airbus was able to do the 320Neo without a redesign. They essentially slapped new engines on it and made tiny adjustments. Boom, fuel savings. Boeing wanted to do the same. Their design didn't accommodate the bigger, more efficient engines they wanted. So they created a workaround. Redesigning essentially…

> Boeing wanted to do the same. Their design didn't accommodate the bigger, more efficient engines they wanted. So they created a workaround. Note that Boeing had this problem ever since the 737 Classic (the second generation 737) was introduced, hence the non-circular engine inlets they've had for decades. This cost them efficiency, at the benefit of maintaining commonality with all its advantages. Note that last I…

I think the world is moving away from twin-aisle planes somewhat. The future is point-to-point in smaller planes. In that sense Airbus is well positioned.

The A321XLR is already a huge success.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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Planes can be switched out last-minute. I plan to check the plane type at the gate every time I fly for the next 10 years, and if it's a MAX, I'll reschedule my flight on the spot. They claim they solved the software problem, but they didn't solve the physics problems created by the engine position (which necessitated the software in the first place).

> they didn't solve the physics problems created by the engine position The engine position, in itself, isn't terribly unusual; the 757 and 767 both have engines in similar forward positions on the wings and have a similar pitch up moment due to the engines at high angles of attack. So do a number of Airbus models. Designing flight controls to deal with this issue is not new and has been well tested. The particular i…

> If the plane had been designed as a new type from the start, the engine position would not have been an issue

Because the engineers would not have positioned the engines there in the first place.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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Why do these articles say so little about how Boeing fixed the problem? People are more likely to fly on these if they know what's different from the ones that crashed.

Patch notes: - bug fixes and general improvements

- Corrected stability issues experienced by a small number of users.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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Well since the chance of getting cancer is ~30%, we should not even bother with traffic laws, food safety or guns - anything short of nuclear weapons is just unlikely to ever get you!

How do you get out of bed when literally everything in the world is out to kill you

Well you probably have no bed,

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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In a weird way, having the Max grounded during 2020 turned out to be lucky timing on Boeing's part. The airlines slowdown due to COVID likely gave them some serious breathing room while they got their shit together. Now hopefully they actually did get their shit together.

COVID has been a godsend to many struggling or otherwise unstable businesses.

Recent example I've had to deal with:

Morgan Stanley's acquisition of E-Trade has completely wrecked their customer service experience. Live chat wait times are 2+ hours, getting a secure message response takes 5 days now.

Their web site is covered with COVID-19 disclaimers for all the trouble, with a minor blurb about "operational shift".

As they say; Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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I recently had the frivolous idea of creating a flight search engine for flights that DID NOT use the 737 Max. Any actual interest in this?

This seems utterly counter-productive, considering the Max is now the most scrutinized plane in history. It's probably far safer now than other models.

That taking a short-term view.

Boeing is a company that needs to take the long view, and the only way to make that happen is to vote with your dollars.

If they can wave this away, then the necessary lessons haven’t been learned and the Jack Welch protege currently at the helm will be allowed to continue business as usual.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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post #88

Why do these articles say so little about how Boeing fixed the problem? People are more likely to fly on these if they know what's different from the ones that crashed.

Patch notes: - bug fixes and general improvements

I Lol'd

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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Considering that a new design would take like 10 years to get into production, how would that have been an immediate solution for Boeing? They need to be able to sell more 737 until a new design is ready, and no one wants that to be rushed. While I didn't hear anyting about a new design, I sincerely hope they are at it already though.

Can they not make more of the previous design? Or is 100% of production capacity 737 max

> Can they not make more of the previous design?

MAX exists as a response to competition. One may assume the previous design is no longer competitive. And no, the body count isn't being considered; fuel efficiency, capacity and leveraging existing training are among the considerations.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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Why do these articles say so little about how Boeing fixed the problem? People are more likely to fly on these if they know what's different from the ones that crashed.

> Why do these articles say so little about how Boeing fixed the problem? Because they are journalists and have no idea how airplanes work or how engineering is done.

I think Journalists would. Not sure what to call the people we have writing stories now.
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