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Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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post #7

I recently had the frivolous idea of creating a flight search engine for flights that DID NOT use the 737 Max. Any actual interest in this?

Would use it. I have read too many descriptions of the final moments of Lion Air 610 to ever board a 737 Max again.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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post #7

I recently had the frivolous idea of creating a flight search engine for flights that DID NOT use the 737 Max. Any actual interest in this?

Serious question: if an airline changes the aircraft, is that grounds for a refund on your flight?

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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Maybe they should have bit the bullet and fully redesigned the 737. Presumably future engines will be bigger still, will they just tack them onto this old design as well? At the end of the day this is just a software fix.

This is a 20 year old question. A new single or small twin isle would cost $10-20B and take 8 years to develop and certify on the optimistic side. Given they're still bleeding on the 787, the 777X may be cancelled, KC-46 fiasco, Airbus competition, they have to go with what they have.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I assume Boeing is desperate to sell these. Or is there something about these planes that makes them unsuitable. It's not like Boeing has a warehouse of 737-MAX's sitting around. They are ordered and delivered as they are finished.

https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/boeing-gets-good-and-... They do have a bunch sitting around. So much they had to hire people to care for them.

These are grounded airline fleets, not Boeing inventory.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

#46

Maybe they should have bit the bullet and fully redesigned the 737. Presumably future engines will be bigger still, will they just tack them onto this old design as well? At the end of the day this is just a software fix.

> Maybe they should have bit the bullet and fully redesigned the 737. If I were the EU regulator, I would have forced them to... It's a great way to screw over Boeing (American) and boost sales for Airbus (EU), while having the fairly legit rationale that you no longer have confidence in the US regulator due to a long series of blunders, and you are not happy for a major new plane design to use a decades old type rat…

Such a decision would also screw over EU airlines that still depend heavily on Boeing.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/boeing-gets-good-and-... They do have a bunch sitting around. So much they had to hire people to care for them.

These are grounded airline fleets, not Boeing inventory.

Yep, sorry, didn't meant to suggest otherwise, just fascinating to me.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

#48

Maybe they should have bit the bullet and fully redesigned the 737. Presumably future engines will be bigger still, will they just tack them onto this old design as well? At the end of the day this is just a software fix.

As with software, restarting from scratch can introduce many, many bugs.

Boeing planes are super safe from millions of flighthours and the learnings and failures from before. The older aircraft annealed into a state of safety and reliability from known-ness.

"fully redesigning," introduces a lot more risk.

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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post #45
post #7

I recently had the frivolous idea of creating a flight search engine for flights that DID NOT use the 737 Max. Any actual interest in this?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kayak-and-tripadvisor-offering-...

So much for that idea, thanks!

Re: Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with media onboard

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post #6

In a weird way, having the Max grounded during 2020 turned out to be lucky timing on Boeing's part. The airlines slowdown due to COVID likely gave them some serious breathing room while they got their shit together. Now hopefully they actually did get their shit together.

I think I disagree. If they’d taken the time to scrap the 737 Max and move to a new design, they’d have had the time and the public would have eaten the new product up. Instead, they doubled down and are now going to try to have to sell a product that many will refuse to ever fly on, myself included.

Considering that a new design would take like 10 years to get into production, how would that have been an immediate solution for Boeing? They need to be able to sell more 737 until a new design is ready, and no one wants that to be rushed. While I didn't hear anyting about a new design, I sincerely hope they are at it already though.
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