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Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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If you read the science , it's much more likely that the vaccine is simply ineffective than would cause any kind of zombie apocalypse.

any kind So not even a mild case of the zombs?

Presumably they meant the non-human kind:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/25/zombie-mink-rise-from-grave-a...

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I wouldn't worry about it. There's still plenty of positive evidence for vaccines from the last 100 years. A mistake with a covid vaccine wouldn't change that.

You have to take the social context into account too. There seems to be a surge in anti-anti-vaxxer sentiment (any skepticism being met with strong resistance). If the vaccine were to fail after that much hype I believe it'd be a concern for worry. (Not that I think it's likely to "fail" in obvious way, just defending OP)

I'm not convinced that anti-vaxxers are on the increase - they've always been there, but usually only that subset with young kids (and hence faced with childhood vaccinations) had anything to specifically complain about. Now they've all got something to complain about, all at the same time. I don't see the point of considering the 'risk' of increasing anti-vaxx sentiment. We're in a pandemic, we just need to crack on with it. The anti-vaxxers aren't going to change their minds either way.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Yeah uhm... Never been to /r/asd, and now I'm slightly afraid of checking it out, seeing as two comments have been deleted :D

Look at the way people communicate here, how little empathy they show, the complete sense of humour, how anal they can be about not about the big picture that the other person is arguing for but, say, choice of words, someone's formulation of a sentence, use of the oxford comma, whatever really. Then tell me if this site is not the largest community for autistic software developers, diagnosed or not. This is in no wa…

Look at the way people communicate here, how little empathy they show, the complete sense of humour, how anal they can be about not about the big picture that the other person is arguing for but, say, choice of words, someone's formulation of a sentence, use of the oxford comma, whatever really.

There are too many commas in your sentence :)

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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To continue the pedantry, the archipelago is called The British Isles.

While you're right that it is called that (by many), some people object to it: > In Ireland, the term "British Isles" is controversial, and there are objections to its usage. The Government of Ireland does not officially recognise the term, and its embassy in London discourages its use. Britain and Ireland is used as an alternative description, and Atlantic Archipelago has also seen limited use in academia. https://e…

A similar controversy exists in the Arab world about what to call the Persian Gulf, where the names "Arabian Gulf" or simply "The Gulf" are preferred. [1]

Amusingly (but perhaps not surprisingly), British imperialism briefly waded into this dispute as well:

> Following British attempts to control the seaway in the late 1830s, the Times Journal, published in London in 1840, referred to the Persian Gulf as the "Britain Sea", but this name was never used in any other context.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf_naming_dispute

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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I used to agree but a few of my 20-29 year old friends have had much worse experiences than expected. One had some neurological side effects, which is rare but happens, that affected his eye movement and made it impossible for him to read or work comfortably. It wasn't healing and it turned out he had an undetected issue processing folic acid I believe, which has an effect on how your body heals from neurological dam…

There are much more dangerous things to worry about in life. I'm happy to take chances with Covid, the only thing I won't do is risk hurting others.

Yea I'm not totally concerned about catching it but if I do, I increase my likelihood of hurting others. That's been the logic of most of my peers (early 30s, late twenties).

However, through my partner I am friends with many classical singers. They are absolutely worried about damaging their instrument.

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The vast majority of people under 50 who catch CoV2 recovery completely with minimal symptoms. There is a trade-off and people need to be able to evaluate those risk and make those decision individually.

You are shifting the goal posts. 1. More than 5,000 people under 50 in a population of 66 million will have serious side effects from COVID. 2. In fact, nearly 3,000 people under 50 have already died from COVID in the UK. 3. This is despite only a small percentage of the population (3-10%) having been infected by COVID. 4. Even if you are under 50, and don't die to COVID, you are going to kill other people, by spread…

If there's an effective vaccine, those who do not want to risk infection from COVID can make the choice to take the vaccine. Those who feel that the risk that they will become infected is one that they are willing to take can do that. Nobody is put into danger that they do not choose to accept.

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Yes, this is why these mRNA vaccines are here so fast; a lot of prework was done for SARS vaccine, which is also a Corona disease. But I think SARS died out before the vaccine was ready/needed.

the parent is concerned regarding the appearance of ADE (Antibody-dependent enhancement) during the creation of the SARS vaccine. While we cannot totally disregard ADE, I assume we should have seen it by now (and the Oxford trial was stopped exactly because they thought they might have observed something like it). Whether it appears again on a population scale level, nobody knows.

I don't know anything, but I've read that ADE can take 1-3 years to surface.

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> These vaccines have been tested in ~40,000 people each, so we do know quite a bit about their safety. We know quite a bit about their short term safety. It's impossible to know for sure if there is any long term side effect. But that is probably a risk we have to take to get past the immediate threat of covid-19.

vaccines pretty much never have long term side effects

so because other unrelated vaccines that have existed for a long time and known to have no long term side effects, we should assume that this brand new vaccine has no long term side effects?

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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You have to take the social context into account too. There seems to be a surge in anti-anti-vaxxer sentiment (any skepticism being met with strong resistance). If the vaccine were to fail after that much hype I believe it'd be a concern for worry. (Not that I think it's likely to "fail" in obvious way, just defending OP)

I'm not convinced that anti-vaxxers are on the increase - they've always been there, but usually only that subset with young kids (and hence faced with childhood vaccinations) had anything to specifically complain about. Now they've all got something to complain about, all at the same time. I don't see the point of considering the 'risk' of increasing anti-vaxx sentiment. We're in a pandemic, we just need to crack on…

>I'm not convinced that anti-vaxxers are on the increase

I didn't mean they were on the increase, I was saying the people against them have been more outspoken because of the pendemic, to the detriment of people that are skeptic (but not anti-vaxxer). The issue isn't about the anti-vaxxers, it'd be more about radicalizing more center people.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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I'm not convinced that anti-vaxxers are on the increase - they've always been there, but usually only that subset with young kids (and hence faced with childhood vaccinations) had anything to specifically complain about. Now they've all got something to complain about, all at the same time. I don't see the point of considering the 'risk' of increasing anti-vaxx sentiment. We're in a pandemic, we just need to crack on…

>I'm not convinced that anti-vaxxers are on the increase I didn't mean they were on the increase, I was saying the people against them have been more outspoken because of the pendemic, to the detriment of people that are skeptic (but not anti-vaxxer). The issue isn't about the anti-vaxxers, it'd be more about radicalizing more center people.

Right but thats more or less the same thing. Why worry about it? We've got bigger fish to fry right now.
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