Artist releases album called “Ok Google Play Music” on Spotify • Hacker News Board

Re: Artist releases album called “Ok Google Play Music” on Spotify

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Post by kaibee » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 7:42 PM UTC

eitland wrote: post #205

reaperducer wrote: post #31

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It keeps playing a song called "My Likes" Meanwhile, here in Siri Land... Me: Hey, Siri, add "tomatoes" to my Groceries list. Siri: OK, Reapreducer. Which list should I add it to? Me: Groceries. Siri: OK, Reapreducer. Which list should I add it to? Me: Groceries. Siri: OK, Reapreducer. Which list should I add it to? Me: Groceries. Siri: OK, Reapreducer. Which list should I add it to? Me: Groceries. Siri: OK, Reapredu…

I can't understand why I should talk to any of my devices as long as they are as idiotic as they are now and like you describe above doesn't have the slightest idea about how to handle context. That said Siri feels at least 100 times smarter than Google assistant to me, the below are actual (if somewhat anonymized) examples: - Google suggestions when I look at the phone at 5am in the morning: "text random friend of a…

I agree. Google is collecting all of this data, but every time I'm going to Wegmans, "hey google, navigate to wegmans", its always, "I FOUND SEVERAL OPTIONS, WHICH WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TO?". And in what is apparently always a surprise, I always want to go to closest Wegmans.

Re: Artist releases album called “Ok Google Play Music” on Spotify

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Post by dotancohen » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 7:43 PM UTC

apendleton wrote: post #210

hadlock wrote: post #159

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My issue is that I found out the special incantations two years ago, and then they changed (I presume) something about the core language processing logic, and now none of that works. For example I have Philips Hue lights behind the TV/Screen on my living room wall, and I use their "color loop" behind the screen when watching movies etc. The problem is that "TV", "Television" and "Screen" are semi-protected words, so…

Yeah, my experience is related, in that it seems to think "lamp" and "lights" are synonyms, so I have a lamp in my living room, but "turn off the living room lamp" turns off all the lights in the living room, not just the light called "living room lamp." It's like, at this intermediate level of intelligence that's particularly annoying: too smart to just literally use the names I assigned, but not smart enough to act…

> Worst of all possible worlds.

At least there are no tribbles.

Re: Artist releases album called “Ok Google Play Music” on Spotify

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Post by lerchmo » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 7:43 PM UTC

gorkish wrote: post #36

renewiltord wrote: post #5

My fucking Google Home can't even figure out how to play the auto playlist "My Likes" on YouTube Music. Previously, I could say "Play my Thumbs Up" and it could do so on Google Play Music. It keeps playing a song called "My Likes". Jesus fucking Christ, Google. If I say "Play my My Likes playlist" something random happens. Do these guys even use their product? I'm just glad this album didn't come out before the force…

This is my experience with any 'smart assistant' product that is or ever has been. It's always frustrating but never particularly hard to find the special incantation that will invoke it to do the thing that you want it to. Overall though it's simply not worth the effort which is probably why I end up using these overwhelmingly complex devices only for their most mundane functions like timers and getting the weather.…

My toddler wants to hear a song 1000x, I can't do something like "Play 5 little monkeys jumping on the bed on repeat or in a loop or 10x" I have to tell it each time.

Re: Artist releases album called “Ok Google Play Music” on Spotify

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Post by jen729w » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 7:44 PM UTC

apendleton wrote: post #210

hadlock wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My issue is that I found out the special incantations two years ago, and then they changed (I presume) something about the core language processing logic, and now none of that works. For example I have Philips Hue lights behind the TV/Screen on my living room wall, and I use their "color loop" behind the screen when watching movies etc. The problem is that "TV", "Television" and "Screen" are semi-protected words, so…

Yeah, my experience is related, in that it seems to think "lamp" and "lights" are synonyms, so I have a lamp in my living room, but "turn off the living room lamp" turns off all the lights in the living room, not just the light called "living room lamp." It's like, at this intermediate level of intelligence that's particularly annoying: too smart to just literally use the names I assigned, but not smart enough to act…

Siri (HomePod) was getting confused with my “turn everything off” incantation, so I’ve changed the name of the ‘scene’ and now when we leave the house we instruct her to “PUT THAT COFFEE DOWN”.

Because coffee is for closers.

Re: Artist releases album called “Ok Google Play Music” on Spotify

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Post by remir » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 7:45 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #56

YouTube Music is so bad. Comically bad. I had an amazing indie music discovery service in Google Play Music. I found so many fantastic underplayed artists, and it helped me explore all the small music venues in my city. I've got a wall full of signed albums from artists I discovered with Google Play Music. YouTube music recommends Britney Spears . It's so awfully wrong about my tastes. It also randomly inserts YouTub…

Viewed differently: it is ultimately a good thing that Youtube Music is bad, because otherwise, that would be another thing dominated by Google.

It's like people lamenting how sad it is that Windows mobile failed. Well, why would you want Microsoft to dominate both desktop and mobile market? Seems like a scary scenario.

In this perspective, I can appreciate how clueless Google can be sometimes. It's not a bug, it's a feature! ;)

Re: Artist releases album called “Ok Google Play Music” on Spotify

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Post by freedomben » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 7:45 PM UTC

ortusdux wrote: post #207

judge2020 wrote: post #74

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> YouTube music recommends Britney Spears. It's so awfully wrong about my tastes. Just dislike these songs/videos. At first all I did was play playlists I already had in YT since the 'my mix' (now "my supermix") playlist had random songs I listened to 5 years ago, but after about a week of using the 'my mix' and disliking songs, I started getting a bunch of great songs from artists that I otherwise had no idea about.

The problem is, OP already did this. So did I. How much in-fighting is there at google that they couldn't just port over the data? Right now I'm pissed that Google tv doesn't have a working account switcher. If my wife watches music videos it retrains my YouTube music. Also, youtube music sucks when it comes to spotty connections and file management. I have fiber at work and home, unmetered 4g, and 100gig free space…

Could not agree more. Even little stuff like my son who is on my family plan. He used Google Play Music all the time with no problems. When they forced us to move to YT Music, now it won't let him get the app because he's too young and YT isn't allowed. So I either have to give up all the parental controls that I need and use, or he can't access the family plan music subscription that I pay for and used to have with no problems at all, because I was forcefully migrated to a new service I didn't want when the old one was perfectly fine. I despise the new world we are in.

I'm about to go full self-hosted on a ton of stuff. Plex, Book Sonic, Next Cloud, etc. Then I can move when I want to move.

Edit: I actually bought a used (came from Google I believe) Dell R620 on ebay, loaded to the hilt (dual 8 core (16 total physical cores) E5-2650, 256 GB RAM, 10 600GB drives (SAS)). They're amazingly affordable. I paid around $750 with shipping. I can run a hell of a lot of stuff on that and since I'm mostly at home these days it will be blazing fast (way better than existing cloud stuff that is limited by my 20Mbps downlink, which is the fastest I can get). Nothing like a Gigabit connection to my "cloud" :-D

Re: Artist releases album called “Ok Google Play Music” on Spotify

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Post by deaddodo » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 7:45 PM UTC

isaacimagine wrote: post #119

renewiltord wrote: post #37

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That's the worst thing. It used to work well for me.

Same. It's been getting less smart over time.

This is the same way I feel about Google Maps. Especially with the new streamlined/cards UI. Everything is objectively worse and I can't even force it to act like it used to. Actual, useful functionality has just been lopped off.

Re: Artist releases album called “Ok Google Play Music” on Spotify

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 7:46 PM UTC

renewiltord wrote: post #5

My fucking Google Home can't even figure out how to play the auto playlist "My Likes" on YouTube Music. Previously, I could say "Play my Thumbs Up" and it could do so on Google Play Music. It keeps playing a song called "My Likes". Jesus fucking Christ, Google. If I say "Play my My Likes playlist" something random happens. Do these guys even use their product? I'm just glad this album didn't come out before the force…

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Re: Artist releases album called “Ok Google Play Music” on Spotify

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Post by aidenn0 » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 7:46 PM UTC

iforgotpassword wrote: post #41

Ansil849 wrote: post #26

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Why would a live version of a song pay less royalties than the studio version? Similarly for the instrumental version. The only one that seems like it would pay less royalties is maybe the cover, if the cover band has a weaker royalty rate with the provider. I think the far more likely explanation is just that these home assistant products suck.

But how do you mess that up? Let an intern code that shit up? Assuming the voice recognition part worked perfectly: 1) query song database for input 2) play result that is most popular (most plays by manual selection in eg desktop client etc) The only tricky part is to determine whether the query is an artist or a title but again in most cases this will be solved by checking popularity. What's a plausible explanation…

Play the most recently released result? Covers and live versions are often more recently released than the album version.

Re: Artist releases album called “Ok Google Play Music” on Spotify

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Post by Denvercoder9 » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 7:48 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #56

YouTube Music is so bad. Comically bad. I had an amazing indie music discovery service in Google Play Music. I found so many fantastic underplayed artists, and it helped me explore all the small music venues in my city. I've got a wall full of signed albums from artists I discovered with Google Play Music. YouTube music recommends Britney Spears . It's so awfully wrong about my tastes. It also randomly inserts YouTub…

I'm kind of surprised that your YouTube Music recommendations are so bad. For me it gives by far the best suggestions of any music service I've used.