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Re: Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US labor board alleges

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> His Orangeness Please refrain from insults. Nearly half of the voters voted for him. There are plenty of his supporters here and this is offensive to them.

70 million.

It is worth highlighting a very significant fraction of the nation does not vote. It is 40 some percent.

Quite a few of us are not participating.

Frankly, I have moved to a very judgement avoidance type mode.

We all should be talking, understanding one another better and should we do that we may find ourselves operating in a more healthy, productive body politic.

We need that. It's a mess right now.

Maybe that would being more of us back into the process too.

Re: Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US labor board alleges

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> Spiers was fired after she created a pop-up for Google employees visiting the IRI Consultants website.

What does this mean? Was this for an IRI portal on Google's intranet, or did they display the pop-up if the public website was being visited by a Google employee? How was it determined that the visitor was a Google employee?

Re: Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US labor board alleges

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>Spiers was fired after she created a pop-up for Google employees visiting the IRI Consultants website. “Googlers have the right to participate in protected concerted activities,” the notification read I remember that case. Yeah - she deserved to be fired. She used an internal security tool to push her personal political views. How could that not be a fire-able offense?

Original link + comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21813619

Re: Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US labor board alleges

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That headline does not match the article contents. That is definitely the headline from the article, but it simply repeats the claim and doesn't even link to the complaint or provide ANY details. > Spiers was fired after she created a pop-up for Google employees visiting the IRI Consultants website. Didn't she inject code into an unrelated internal extension? That sounds like a legit security issue no matter how just…

My recollection is that the extension was for notifying employees of relevant policies and laws regarding websites they were viewing. So no, it was not an unrelated extension.

Isn't the extension actually about the laws or policies related to using the site in question? Not necessarily about laws pertaining to things that happen outside of the use of the site, such as unionizing.

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> His Orangeness Please refrain from insults. Nearly half of the voters voted for him. There are plenty of his supporters here and this is offensive to them.

>this is offensive to them.

It's not offensive to me and I supported some of his policies. Did you support him? Is it offensive to you? If not, maybe you shouldn't presume to speak for other people as a general rule. I don't mean to sound scolding, but it's something people do now a days that's a little counter productive.

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That headline does not match the article contents. That is definitely the headline from the article, but it simply repeats the claim and doesn't even link to the complaint or provide ANY details. > Spiers was fired after she created a pop-up for Google employees visiting the IRI Consultants website. Didn't she inject code into an unrelated internal extension? That sounds like a legit security issue no matter how just…

> Didn't she inject code into an unrelated internal extension?

Depending on your definition of code, that's probably not the case. She added an entry to a config file that contained a mapping of urls to messages. Such as:

   dropbox.com/upload -> Friendly reminder: please don't upload internal documents to dropbox
Also, Google generally trusts engineers and it's not that unusual to have an engineer writing and deploying code. So essentially it was her job to work on and deploy this extension. I believe that had the message been an April fools day joke she wouldn't have been fired.

So in my opinion arguments that others have made (not you) that: "this was a unauthorized code change therefore obviously she should be fired on security grounds and charged with violating the CFAA too, it doesn't matter what the message was" don't really hold water. There's also an argument that she used some sort of "emergency" deployment mechanism, but that doesn't really hold water either. Honestly it's not that unusual to see people deploy some package when they need it rather than wait for a scheduled job to deploy it.

I think the grey area she was operating in boils down to: She had a platform to distribute certain types of messages internally and she put a message in there that probably wasn't the normal type of message distributed. If I were her manager I probably would have taken some action but it wouldn't have been firing.

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> His Orangeness Please refrain from insults. Nearly half of the voters voted for him. There are plenty of his supporters here and this is offensive to them.

What? Are you suggesting we cannot criticize politicians on this website because it might be insulting to their supporters?

This is very obviously NOT what they are suggesting.

They are suggesting you should "Please refrain from insults", as is clearly stated in their comment. Insult != Criticism.

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> His Orangeness Please refrain from insults. Nearly half of the voters voted for him. There are plenty of his supporters here and this is offensive to them.

What? Are you suggesting we cannot criticize politicians on this website because it might be insulting to their supporters?

I think it's fine to criticize constructively. Calling people names is not likely to lead to constructive conversations and can be dehumanizing.

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>Spiers was fired after she created a pop-up for Google employees visiting the IRI Consultants website. “Googlers have the right to participate in protected concerted activities,” the notification read I remember that case. Yeah - she deserved to be fired. She used an internal security tool to push her personal political views. How could that not be a fire-able offense?

"Googlers have the right to participate in protected concerted activities" is not a personal political opinion, it is the law.

I think the point here is "...used internal security tools...", Not the particulars of the message she was pushing.

Re: Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US labor board alleges

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>Spiers was fired after she created a pop-up for Google employees visiting the IRI Consultants website. “Googlers have the right to participate in protected concerted activities,” the notification read I remember that case. Yeah - she deserved to be fired. She used an internal security tool to push her personal political views. How could that not be a fire-able offense?

"Googlers have the right to participate in protected concerted activities" is not a personal political opinion, it is the law.

Substituting your equivalence:

> She used an internal security tool to push the law

Even for messages I agreed with, I would still find this a questionable activity and disruptive as an employee.

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