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From what I remember from the news yesterday the EMA will be done with the evaluation (if they don't find anything that causes concern) by the end of the month, so they aren't that far off
Yeah, there’s only about 5000 deaths extra for each day of delay. So no rush there!
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Yeah, there’s only about 5000 deaths extra for each day of delay. So no rush there!
I bet everyone there wants to get the vaccines out of the door as fast as possible. That does not mean that people are willing to cut corners where they should not .
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From a high level overview and global perspective, what the OP is saying, or meant , is that comparatively speaking UK is much better than possibly 80% of developed countries. Not to say NHS is without flaws, far from it. But if you step outside and look around the world many are surprised how awful public health services and logistics can be. So to put it another way, It is not that NHS is good, it is just the other…
What you're missing is that amongst a certain class of Brit, and across much of the West, relentless and savage cultural self-criticism has become the norm, and a currency used for in-group signalling. Even when people in the UK should be celebrating, as literally the first country in the world to develop an approved C19 vaccine in record breaking time, and enjoy the privilege of a free health system that can roll it…
The UK national infrastructure does have a history of dubious at best procurement, outsourcing and "consultancy" decisions in supplying it's services - those public services often then coming under extreme criticism from the same quarters as your attack - who are often the same private sector blowhards who cause many of the problems in the first place.
Far more public sector hating and damage comes from there than from the virtue signallers you (rightly) criticise.
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#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
I bet everyone there wants to get the vaccines out of the door as fast as possible. That does not mean that people are willing to cut corners where they should not .
So are you saying the UK cut corners?
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#295Out of curiosity, how do people on HN rate the risk of long term side-effects?
Well, fwiw, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine idea, Ingmar Hoerr, thinks side effects are very unlikely, since the mRNA molecules dissolve after a few days. He has been working on this for 20 years, with no serious side effects ever observed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingmar_Hoerr
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What you're missing is that amongst a certain class of Brit, and across much of the West, relentless and savage cultural self-criticism has become the norm, and a currency used for in-group signalling. Even when people in the UK should be celebrating, as literally the first country in the world to develop an approved C19 vaccine in record breaking time, and enjoy the privilege of a free health system that can roll it…
Much of what you say is true, but doesn't negate the point of the comment you are assuming the motivation of. The UK national infrastructure does have a history of dubious at best procurement, outsourcing and "consultancy" decisions in supplying it's services - those public services often then coming under extreme criticism from the same quarters as your attack - who are often the same private sector blowhards who ca…
That is a very tactful way of describing what has gone on in this country for a while
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Yes, There are two primary things to consider the Risk/Benefit to yourself and the Risk/Benefit to those around you. The answer is still yes for both cases, long term covid damage is bad at any age and so is taking out a grandparent, co-worker you like.
We don't yet know whether the vaccines prevent infection and transmission AFAIK.
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#298This should really be called the BioNTech or even "Mainz" vaccine (similar to the "Oxford" one), but Germany is terrible at this kind of marketing
In Germany it is mostly referred to as the BioNTech vaccine. I think it's more about international publications being more likely to use the name they recognize or think their audience will recognize. Most everyone is going to know Pfizer and Oxford respectively. Internationally Mainz isn't exactly a famous city, nor is AstraZeneca a well-known pharmaceutical company.
It might not be famous but it played a key role in the development of the Renaissance, Reformation, Age of Enlightenment, and Scientific Revolution, as well as laying the material basis for the modern knowledge-based economy and the spread of learning to the masses.
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There may be places you won't be allowed to go and things you won't be allowed to do (like work, maybe) unless you show proof of having been vaccinated. There's a good chance that situation will create a black market both for vaccines (real and fake) and forged proof of vaccination.
You are painting a scenario that could theoretically become an issue if vaccination somehow got stuck at some point close to or far beyond the 50% mark for some reason. E.g. to deliberately exclude some part of the population, or in some "the vaccine is actually a carrier for something else" movie plot. But if the limits of vaccination are just the confines of ramp-up and particularly if priority is given to the elde…
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What you're missing is that amongst a certain class of Brit, and across much of the West, relentless and savage cultural self-criticism has become the norm, and a currency used for in-group signalling. Even when people in the UK should be celebrating, as literally the first country in the world to develop an approved C19 vaccine in record breaking time, and enjoy the privilege of a free health system that can roll it…
I'm not from the UK but assuming the grandparent is right, you're saying they should be thankful that their country isn't as corrupt as other countries even though there's blatant corruption in something as important as the COVID response? That's like beating your children but comforting them that they atleast have food on the table and clothes on their back.