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Re: College students are learning hard lessons about anti-cheating software

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Post by colechristensen »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #285
gen220 wrote: post #249

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Let’s not fail to mention the $100k elephant in the room :). It’s very hard to focus on real learning when your financial freedom is at stake. People can not be faulted to feel that every minute spent studying the liberal arts curriculum is a minute that might be better invested in studying something that slays the elephant. It’s a life or death feeling when the money involved is more than your parents have earned cu…

I know a lot of people on here don't like them but software bootcamps are very much the startup working at solving the job training problem. Sadly, it is an industry where caveat emptor certainly applies, but if you do your research there are definitely programs that are worth their price. Check out CIRR.org which reports audited numbers from bootcamps. Good luck finding a university that reports comprehensive, audit…

I seem to remember being given placement and salary statistics when starting out in engineering.

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Post by Melting_Harps »

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searchableguy wrote: post #268

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> Sorry could you explain that? Do Google now run courses and place value on having completed them in interviews? Yes. They are slowly offering those options along with other tech companies. I think Shopify has the best model: https://devdegree.ca/

Is it a real degree or some type of bootcamp?

A professional certification, much like the A+ certification that gives you a piece of paper to qualify you for entry work into IT. They're exclusively on Coursera for now, so it's more like Online learning at a University--I took a few classes online for my undergrad and it was kind of the same: online lectures, Q/A, forum participation points with periodic exams and a final. I'm told those bootcamps varies between pretty generic and cookie-cutter to a pretty intense mentorship-driven place, so I can't really say one or the other as all my tech stuff is self-taught and then supplemented with online courses and on the job projects, but my sector of fintech is incredibly niche so there isn't really any other option.

Give it a shot, you can survey most courses on Coursera (where Google is offering said certification) for free and pay if you want to stay and earn a certificate. Udemy is another one I used when I wanted to hone my python skills when I was going from my developer role at IBM.

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Post by souprock »

alistairSH wrote: post #70
querez wrote: post #44

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> One of the issues is also just academia being so hyper-focused on thinking everyone is there to become an academic which is not the case for the vast majority of people I'm not sure I follow why this is bad. I think academic rigor and being a decent scholar, as well as being able to parse and produce research are good things (and in my mind, those are the corner stones of being an academic). Did misunderstand you?…

in germany (and likely other european countries) we have a two tier system for higher education, consisting of universities and "applied universities", with the latter focusing on applied skills and the former focusing on research While it isn't codified, we effectively have this in the US as well. Most of the "brand name" universities, plus the flagship state universities, conduct research and grant various doctoral…

In the US, "college" means narrow subject matter, and "university" means a wide variety of colleges all together on one campus.

For example, there may be a "College of Engineering" and a "College of Arts and Science" that are part of one university.

It's possible to have a stand-alone college that isn't in a university. A good example is Berklee College of Music, which is narrowly focused on music.

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Post by gen220 »

colechristensen wrote: post #301
dghlsakjg wrote: post #285

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I know a lot of people on here don't like them but software bootcamps are very much the startup working at solving the job training problem. Sadly, it is an industry where caveat emptor certainly applies, but if you do your research there are definitely programs that are worth their price. Check out CIRR.org which reports audited numbers from bootcamps. Good luck finding a university that reports comprehensive, audit…

I seem to remember being given placement and salary statistics when starting out in engineering.

I got statistics too, starting out in engineering. But based on the surveys I’ve participated in since graduating, I’m suspicious of their methodology...

Basically there’s no incentive for their studies to be scientific, and I don’t think they are. Their most-touted metric was “ROI”, which is super vague and highly dependent on in-field job placement, which was measured in a highly suspect way at my school.

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Post by thotsBgone »

souprock wrote: post #257
bzbarsky wrote: post #235

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Getting rid of accommodations in general is not the right thing to do, and I am very glad that you were able to get the sorts of support you actually needed, as opposed to just the cookie-cutter extra time on exams. That said, giving time and a half or double time on exams to anyone who takes the time and money to track down a compliant enough medical professional to diagnose them with ADHD is not the right thing eit…

This would fix the problem: if a student in a course gets an accommodation, all students in that course get the accommodation by default. It would be OK to opt out, so for example we don't force everybody to use a screen reader. (but you get one unless you opt out) Clearly this solves the extra-time fraud.

The problem with this is that then the legitimate ADHD students are then at a disadvantage to the other students, as they can't use the time as effectively as the other students.

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Post by ouid »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #296
ouid wrote: post #185

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The main problem is that receiving a credential and receiving an education are very different things that we do at the same time out of tradition and convenience. When testing was easy, it made sense to lump it in with teaching, but now that testing is impossible, I say we ditch it for the time being.

The problem with that is that you're throwing out the one that is more directly valuable to your customers.

No, I'm throwing out the one that is impossible to do.

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Post by alistairSH »

souprock wrote: post #303
alistairSH wrote: post #70

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in germany (and likely other european countries) we have a two tier system for higher education, consisting of universities and "applied universities", with the latter focusing on applied skills and the former focusing on research While it isn't codified, we effectively have this in the US as well. Most of the "brand name" universities, plus the flagship state universities, conduct research and grant various doctoral…

In the US, "college" means narrow subject matter, and "university" means a wide variety of colleges all together on one campus. For example, there may be a "College of Engineering" and a "College of Arts and Science" that are part of one university. It's possible to have a stand-alone college that isn't in a university. A good example is Berklee College of Music, which is narrowly focused on music.

I’ve never seen “narrow focus” as a definition for college. I’ve always seen it used as US News uses it.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2018...

But, you are correct that subject schools within a larger uni are often called College of Such and Such.

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