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Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by tinus_hn »

polytely wrote: post #78
chrisvxd wrote: post #9

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My understanding is that they've been carrying out a rolling evaluation that has been going on for the duration of the trials, which has helped accelerate the normal process. Having said that, I believe the EMA (EU) also carried out a rolling evaluation, so I'm not sure what the differences are there.

From what I remember from the news yesterday the EMA will be done with the evaluation (if they don't find anything that causes concern) by the end of the month, so they aren't that far off

Yeah, there’s only about 5000 deaths extra for each day of delay. So no rush there!

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Post by mkl »

mystcb wrote: post #95
newguy1234 wrote: post #76

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Heard it was something like this: 1. Long-term care residents/staff 2. Hospital workers 3. Anyone 85+ years old.

UK Gov originally published this as the priority interim list [1] - * older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers * all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers * all those 75 years of age and over * all those 70 years of age and over * all those 65 years of age and over * high-risk adults under 65 years of age * moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age * all those 60 years…

What a strange apostrophe (it's in the official list). Or am I misreading it?

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by DanBC »

string wrote: post #150
EliRivers wrote: post #130

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The infrastructure, absolutely. A serious road, rail and air network, lots of companies with lots of experience and all the right gear and so on. Where we fuck up is in the competency of the people in charge of awarding contracts. Be it Grayling giving millions of pounds to a ferry company with no ferries owned or leased, or indeed any experience at all with ferries (and, wonderfully, with a T&Cs on their website cop…

I know it's guaranteed internet points to deride the current government, and the ferry thing is/was despicable, but I think it's highly unlikely they're going to put KFC in charge of logistical operations for the vaccine rollout.

Serco fucked up Test and Trace.

Large PPE contracts were given to companies with no experience in making nor providing PPE, while companies with some experience were ignored. (Sometimes these contracts were awarded to personal contacts of ministers -- one was given to a bloke in the pub who happened to have the minister's contacts in WhatsApp.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by Latty »

refurb wrote: post #132
noir_lord wrote: post #56

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Yes, There are two primary things to consider the Risk/Benefit to yourself and the Risk/Benefit to those around you. The answer is still yes for both cases, long term covid damage is bad at any age and so is taking out a grandparent, co-worker you like.

the Risk/Benefit to those around you But there is a limited supply. At least in the short-term, if I get a dose, that means someone else doesn't get one. If someone around me is at risk, then they should get vaccinated and I should defer if my risk is low.

Generally it isn't on the individual to try to weigh something like that up. Here in the UK, at least, the Vaccine will be offered to people in order, so if you are offered it, there would be no reason to defer—others who need it more should have been offered it before you and you accepting won't deny them anything.

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Post by sweezyjeezy »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #138
rjtavares wrote: post #129

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Source? Latest news[1] seem to indicate it's effective. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55040635

Potentially. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/the-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-da...

We don't need the super-high efficacy numbers (>90%) that the other vaccines are reporting for this to stop the virus. Typical flu vaccines are ~ 50%, I think the Oxford vaccine's results show that they've achieved this.

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Post by cr1895 »

refurb wrote: post #132
noir_lord wrote: post #56

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Yes, There are two primary things to consider the Risk/Benefit to yourself and the Risk/Benefit to those around you. The answer is still yes for both cases, long term covid damage is bad at any age and so is taking out a grandparent, co-worker you like.

the Risk/Benefit to those around you But there is a limited supply. At least in the short-term, if I get a dose, that means someone else doesn't get one. If someone around me is at risk, then they should get vaccinated and I should defer if my risk is low.

This is why countries and public health departments are discussing and agreeing on who gets a vaccination first - people in care homes, front-line health workers, or perhaps even young, healthy people because they heavily drive the spread. I don't think there's a situation anywhere where it's a free-for-all.

Personally, I will take the vaccine as soon as it's made available to me. Even if my risk is perhaps low (which may or may not be true), taking the vaccine reduces the chance that I would spread COVID to someone else. It's a collective effort to reduce the spread, not an individual or selfish one.

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Post by shellac »

DanBC wrote: post #103
newguy1234 wrote: post #76

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Heard it was something like this: 1. Long-term care residents/staff 2. Hospital workers 3. Anyone 85+ years old.

Hospital workers are likely to be first. https://twitter.com/HSJEditor/status/1334042232182235139?s=2...

That seems to be a (minor) alteration in the original plan, possible due to the storage requirements for the vaccine.

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Post by mkolodny »

YaarPodshipnik wrote: post #47

I had COVID-19 early in the year, and so did my Wife (not sure about my Daughter, harder to tell with kids). I would really like to know whether I should get the vaccine or not? All the info that's out there says that immunity to C19 is temporary, so a vaccine after having gone through it doesn't seem redundant. Does anyone know if there's been any research on effects of the vaccine on the people who got C19 and reco…

From the CDC:

"People who have gotten sick with COVID-19 may still benefit from getting vaccinated. Due to the severe health risks associated with COVID-19 and the fact that re-infection with COVID-19 is possible, people may be advised to get a COVID-19 vaccine even if they have been sick with COVID-19 before."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-b....

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Post by ksec »

DanBC wrote: post #143
apsec112 wrote: post #107

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I'm sure the UK is in the top twenty countries in the world for logistics infrastructure. It's easy to read news stories about your country messing things up, and quietly not read foreign-language media about poorer countries messing things up a lot more by comparison, and get a biased perspective.

We had excellent Public Health test and trace departments who had a wealth of experience of tracing people for sexual health purposes. But we still chose to give the contract to Dido Harding despite her poor record at NHS Improvement. And I saw what happened to NHS Logistics, which was one bit of the NHS that wasn't losing money. It was running well. It was privatised to DHL in 2006 for purely ideological reasons, an…

From a high level overview and global perspective, what the OP is saying, or meant, is that comparatively speaking UK is much better than possibly 80% of developed countries. Not to say NHS is without flaws, far from it. But if you step outside and look around the world many are surprised how awful public health services and logistics can be.

So to put it another way, It is not that NHS is good, it is just the others are worse. Although this conclusion or opinion also makes me rather sad.

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Post by ascorbic »

mattmanser wrote: post #119
ascorbic wrote: post #11

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Unlikely to be the latter, because they've already prepurchased millions of doses. Unlikely to be the former either. The UK regulatory system is highly-regarded, and until January the EU medicines regulator was based in London. It may just be that they're particularly efficient.

Lets hope it's not not like our pandemic preparedness, that was highly regarded and turned out to be rotten.

The difference is that the pandemic preparedness was untested, while the MHRA has been working for years
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