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Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Whatever happened to matrix.org/vector/riot.im/element.io? (side note: most confusing branding ever :-/). Element seemed to be picking up some momentum a few months back. There was recent news that they acquired gitter too [1]. These days I only hear about slack exodus and discord this and discord that, though. If I get it right, from all the group messengers that appeared around 6 years ago, the only one with an ope…

Matrix is doing pretty well (although I might be biased, being project lead). For instance, the entirety of the German military announced moving over to Matrix using a fork of Element a few days ago: https://sifted.eu/articles/european-armies-matrix/ , and there are several other (very) major governments beyond France & Germany who are switching to Matrix in order to get end-to-end-encrypted interoperable comms that…

This is really cool. And thanks for posting.

> "In terms of naming, it's really not hard: Matrix is the protocol..."

First time I read that it was clarifying. Second time I read it it reminded me - naming is important. Always think about customers and don't dismiss things that confuse customers / end users. I 100% want to see y'all succeed. But this customer friction area and similar ones are not to be overlooked. If I were you, I'd focus 100% on the best way to surface Matrix's value to others. That's all we're looking for.

https://matrix.org/clients/

is awesome. A CLI client that is reliable and cutting edge would be awesome (looks like some contenders - I'd love to see one in Clojure or Rust but that's just me..). Bridges with other providers like Slack etc. would be a good way to make in-roads into the Slack user base - would get developers using it for work, and then able to switch over, etc.

Most users of Slack, etc., are getting a little tired of it. We'd love something new - and something we could customize more! Awesome. But you have to position yourself as: (a) a strong, stable, growing alternative with a strong customer focus and appreciation (knowing that if you want to be Linux v. Microsoft and not GNOME/KDE v. macOS/Windows - i.e., succeed in the Enterprise outside of Europe, you have to be a new kind of customer obsessed than what has come before) (b) a low risk alternative to start experimenting with.

Biggest focus should be developers creating enterprise apps (like the German army). That's the sweet spot it seems like to get exponential traction. If you can tap into engineers who are using Slack/Teams/etc. and get them to build more clients, etc... it could be really good.

I.e., implement the difficult parts of Slack really, really well (again be Linux OS v. Microsoft OS - and let hypervisors and whatever else innovate on top of your platform -- and not try to boil the ocean with UI features, etc. - which I feel like is just difficult to compete with - there's a mountain of engineers in Cupertino who are going to out-innovate on a stronger platform with a lot more advantages.. but something like the Linux kernel.. is key).

YMMV, just one person's thoughts.

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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They started out trying to make an MMO, ended up making Flickr instead. Then they tried making another MMO, but ended up making Slack instead. I really hope they get cracking on another MMO soon.

Or try designing a really great office collaboration suite and end up accidentally making a killer game.

You mean eve online?

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Or try designing a really great office collaboration suite and end up accidentally making a killer game.

My wife and I once spent TWO hours stuffing photocopiers into an elevator in Deus Ex. So, getting close with that one.

One of the oddest comments I've yet seen on HN. Was this part of a mission or just for grins?

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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What would’ve been the right trade here. I believe if you’d purchased Slack a few days ago on the original announcement of interest, and then sold them after this announcement, but before there’s time for antitrust to take a look at this, you’d have paid massive taxes on short term gains.

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Google chat, lol. Which one? Google Wave? Google Buzz? Google Talk? Google Hangouts? Google Allo? Google Duo? Google Meet? Google chat that came with Google Apps? Or G Suite? Or Google Workspace?

Duo isn't a chat app; it's a video app.

So just like Hangouts supports video? :-)

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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I'm somewhat surprised that Amazon didn't end up acquiring Slack, considering that the major thing they are missing compared to Microsoft is productivity tools. If they had purchased Dropbox and Slack they could've gotten a foothold rather quickly and slowed down one of Microsoft's major selling points (you already use Office, why not Azure?). Discord could be another interesting company in the chat space, as I'm sur…

>Yes, I know Chime exists. But I don't think I've ever heard of anyone using it, and Slack is still rather popular. I think even Amazon realized how awful Chime is, given that they, as a company, switched to Slack just a few months ago.

Was it after Slack started using Chime as the backend for their calls implementation? https://www.geekwire.com/2020/slack-expands-amazon-partnersh...

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Unpopular HN opinion: Teams doesn't suck. It's not as pretty/lovable as Slack, but it has an additional level of organization (each team gets their own set of channels), you can add tabs of related apps/sites to each channel, etc. As far as I could tell having used both simultaneously for a few years, Teams is a complete superset of Slack.

The way rooms is organized is really annoying. It's not just a straight list of chatrooms like ... every other chat app on the planet. The rooms also show what appears to be IMs for group chats (the style/UI) instead of a chatroom. The calendar integration is nice and the video chats are good, but The Linux version of their client just stops pulling audio all the time unless I do a `killall -9 pulseaudio` and restart…

Yes, this is infuriating. And users report similar problems with audio in Windows too...

Unfortunately your killall workaround does not work for me. I have to restart my laptop every time I have a Teams meeting -.-

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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They started out trying to make an MMO, ended up making Flickr instead. Then they tried making another MMO, but ended up making Slack instead. I really hope they get cracking on another MMO soon.

the first game title is 'neverending' (flick), the second game title is 'glitch' (slack), combine both and you get 'neverending glitch'

I really liked Glitch. The aesthetic was really cool and it always felt cozy. Was sad to see it go, but I can kind of understand it since I don't know they ever had a real business model to it.

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The way rooms is organized is really annoying. It's not just a straight list of chatrooms like ... every other chat app on the planet. The rooms also show what appears to be IMs for group chats (the style/UI) instead of a chatroom. The calendar integration is nice and the video chats are good, but The Linux version of their client just stops pulling audio all the time unless I do a `killall -9 pulseaudio` and restart…

Yes, this is infuriating. And users report similar problems with audio in Windows too... Unfortunately your killall workaround does not work for me. I have to restart my laptop every time I have a Teams meeting -.-

That's odd. I'm using Linux Teams client in a Docker container, and it gets many days of uptime (and many voice calls per day) between restarts (for unrelated reasons). No problems with integrating with host pulseaudio server.

I'm quite a happy user of Teams, the only thing I'm missing is ability to share my desktop with giving control to a remote caller - but I only needed that maybe once or twice over this entire year so far.

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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They started out trying to make an MMO, ended up making Flickr instead. Then they tried making another MMO, but ended up making Slack instead. I really hope they get cracking on another MMO soon.

What is an MMO? Massive Multiplayer Online?
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