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Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by b112 »

mns wrote: post #27
waihtis wrote: post #20

Not sure why the posts asking for vaccine risks are getting downvoted. Pandemrix, the vaccine for swine flu, caused a notable amount of narcolepsy cases in recipients here in FIN (notable here meaning the amount of yearly cases spiked by 3-4x) and as with anything that's taken quick to market there has to be some risk of overlooking some tail events somewhere. It's not an anti-vaccine attitude, just healthy skepticis…

Because the entire subject is so politicised and polarised that even daring to ask a question that might go against the current might get you labeled as a right wing science denier racist (based on the country, different labels might apply). Edit: it's funny that the comment above gets downvoted just for asking a question. Great world we live in. We didn't learn anything from the past. Blaming and shaming gay people…

Yes, and this is a serious problem. It seems to be one camp or the other, blind fear or blind approval, with little room for thought.

I honestly hate anti-vaxxers with incredible intensity now. Before they were an annoyance, now they have destroyed all intelligent discourse on this current topic.

For logical concerns, another example is an earlier, mouse brain derived Japanese encephalitis vaccine. Pulled, due to suspected prions causing brain swelling, and death. It should be noted that these effects were not seen until years after a peron received vaccination.

It does not matter that current vaccine $x does not "work that way", instead, it is well known that some vaccines will be troublesome.

This is not anti-vaxxer, I have all standard vaccinations, for they are tested, years of use behind them, safer than the alterative.

Yet it is so hard to find accurate info, everything is filled with crazy, emotionally based screaming and decision making, it's infuriating.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by kolinko »

im3w1l wrote: post #10
vore wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With regards to mRNA, mRNA is a fragile molecule that is quickly broken down inside the body after injection, so there's unlikely to be much long term risk with mRNA itself.

Your answer is phrased in such a way that I can't help but ask: What about the other molecules in the vaccine? Are there any notable helpers or adjuvants or preservatives?

Not sure why you’re downvoted - it’s a legit question.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by mantap »

waihtis wrote: post #20

Not sure why the posts asking for vaccine risks are getting downvoted. Pandemrix, the vaccine for swine flu, caused a notable amount of narcolepsy cases in recipients here in FIN (notable here meaning the amount of yearly cases spiked by 3-4x) and as with anything that's taken quick to market there has to be some risk of overlooking some tail events somewhere. It's not an anti-vaccine attitude, just healthy skepticis…

The UK has a vaccine rollout plan that involves starting with health workers and over 80s. Due to supply issues, only those with the highest risk of death from COVID will get this vaccine.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by hashmush »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #31
waihtis wrote: post #20

Not sure why the posts asking for vaccine risks are getting downvoted. Pandemrix, the vaccine for swine flu, caused a notable amount of narcolepsy cases in recipients here in FIN (notable here meaning the amount of yearly cases spiked by 3-4x) and as with anything that's taken quick to market there has to be some risk of overlooking some tail events somewhere. It's not an anti-vaccine attitude, just healthy skepticis…

I thought I saw a comment explaining the narcolepsy thing and showing how it had been debunked? I think a comment on HN from about a week or so maybe?

I'd love to see a source for that. Just a couple of weeks ago there was an interview with a girl with narcolepsy on SVT (Swedish public broadcasting). This was regarding people being a bit wary of the new vaccines. I can't imagine them running a piece like that if it had been debunked.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by Hamuko »

mantap wrote: post #43
waihtis wrote: post #20

Not sure why the posts asking for vaccine risks are getting downvoted. Pandemrix, the vaccine for swine flu, caused a notable amount of narcolepsy cases in recipients here in FIN (notable here meaning the amount of yearly cases spiked by 3-4x) and as with anything that's taken quick to market there has to be some risk of overlooking some tail events somewhere. It's not an anti-vaccine attitude, just healthy skepticis…

The UK has a vaccine rollout plan that involves starting with health workers and over 80s. Due to supply issues, only those with the highest risk of death from COVID will get this vaccine.

I think that's how it's going to go down in most countries. No need to waste precious vaccines on us who can work remotely and can limit our outings to the local grocery store and the park.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by YaarPodshipnik »

I had COVID-19 early in the year, and so did my Wife (not sure about my Daughter, harder to tell with kids).

I would really like to know whether I should get the vaccine or not? All the info that's out there says that immunity to C19 is temporary, so a vaccine after having gone through it doesn't seem redundant.

Does anyone know if there's been any research on effects of the vaccine on the people who got C19 and recovered? I'm especially worried about possibility of a cytokine storm possibility as a reaction to vaccine.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by mssundaram »

pjc50 wrote: post #37
orobinson wrote: post #8

Amazing that people will be getting vaccinated against coronavirus before the year is out. Is there any evidence of whether these vaccines prevent transmission of the virus yet? Or so far do we just know that they protect the person who is vaccinated?

If you're not actually infected, i.e. you're protected, you don't spread the virus. I'm not aware of a disease for which this isn't true, that vaccinated people can be carriers.

It's a bacteria and not a virus, but it's true for whooping cough, as one example.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by modeless »

Pfizer submitted an emergency use authorization request to the US FDA on Nov. 20. Why was it not approved within a day or two? Is it merely a matter of reading the submitted paperwork and scheduling a committee meeting? There better be a damn good reason, because people are dying out here. I understand that trials take time, but we already have trial results now, so what's the hold up?

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by kolinko »

oezi wrote: post #17
qz2 wrote: post #2

Does anyone have any non-press infested material about this vaccine? As far as I’m aware this is the first roll out of an mRNA based vaccine. While I’m no anti vaccination idiot I’d like to understand the risks to some degree.

Isn't there usually at least a 1:100 or 1:1000 safety buffer between vaccination and control to make a vaccine safe? At least for other vaccines that's a common threshold.

what do you mean by buffer in this context?
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