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Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by netol »

Dahoon wrote: post #69
netol wrote: post #4

I can't believe KDE can be run in a phone, when I tried to run KDE in my desktop it always felt sluggish and unstable

I'm guessing it is seen as poor taste to not praise KDE in a thread with lots of people that like KDE since you get downvoted. I have the exact thoughts you did. It is amazing because in my experience KDE was one of -if not the- slowest desktop in Linux when I tried it. I'm guessing it was KDE 4. Gnome was way better and faster back then for me, both in Ubuntu and Debian. Great to hear it has become faster. Not so gr…

The saddest part of it is that I was a happy KDE user back in the KDE3 days

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by jcun4128 »

fsflover wrote: post #78
jcun4128 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$800? The ram is 3GB so wondering what the huge jump in price is.

https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... and https://puri.sm/posts/breaking-ground/ Upd: from a consumer point of view, the answer would be "because it is innovative" [0] and it has much faster RAM and GPU [1]. [0] https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... [1] https://forums.puri.sm/t/comparing-specs-of-upcoming-linux-p...

Yeah those are valid points about the better quality material/more capability/development/non-outsourced hardware/people. I guess that's tough though as you can get a nice Android/other phone for $800 but yeah.

Tinfoil-hat engaged... the Shenzhen thing idk while it has physical switches have I personally routed those switches to check the devices are actually off. I've kind of given up on that kind of thinking anyway since I don't tape up my phone's webcams/mic/battery off/faraday cage/led container/etc haha.

Anyway sorry tangent, I'm not really getting Linux phones with privacy as main intent just the idea of a "desktop experience" on a phone is great.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by netol »

jrepinc wrote: post #6
netol wrote: post #4

I can't believe KDE can be run in a phone, when I tried to run KDE in my desktop it always felt sluggish and unstable

You have probably tried it in 4.0 days. Plasma 5 is nowadays actually one of the lightweight ones and it is very fast. Especially when you consider how many features/flexibility it has compared to other lightweight desktops.

Not only 4.0, also 4.5, etc. but it was also probably nvidia driver's fault.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by fsflover »

jcun4128 wrote: post #82
fsflover wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... and https://puri.sm/posts/breaking-ground/ Upd: from a consumer point of view, the answer would be "because it is innovative" [0] and it has much faster RAM and GPU [1]. [0] https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... [1] https://forums.puri.sm/t/comparing-specs-of-upcoming-linux-p...

Yeah those are valid points about the better quality material/more capability/development/non-outsourced hardware/people. I guess that's tough though as you can get a nice Android/other phone for $800 but yeah. Tinfoil-hat engaged... the Shenzhen thing idk while it has physical switches have I personally routed those switches to check the devices are actually off. I've kind of given up on that kind of thinking anyway…

> Tinfoil-hat engaged...

This is a valid concern. Purism publishes schematics and x-ray images, so anyone can search for hardware backdoors themselves.

https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...

In addition, there is "Made in USA" version of the phone for $2000.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by [deleted] »

fsflover wrote: post #66
Ardon wrote: post #50

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"Daily use" might be a biiit of a stretch with this hardware, but it'll be functional. I think Pinephone 2, whenever that happens, will be a much more practical convergence device. Pine64's plans to upgrade to the RK3566 SOC in their low-power devices look very promising.

If you are waiting for "Pinephone 2", take a look at Librem 5: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5

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Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by jcun4128 »

fsflover wrote: post #85
jcun4128 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah those are valid points about the better quality material/more capability/development/non-outsourced hardware/people. I guess that's tough though as you can get a nice Android/other phone for $800 but yeah. Tinfoil-hat engaged... the Shenzhen thing idk while it has physical switches have I personally routed those switches to check the devices are actually off. I've kind of given up on that kind of thinking anyway…

> Tinfoil-hat engaged... This is a valid concern. Purism publishes schematics and x-ray images, so anyone can search for hardware backdoors themselves. https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... In addition, there is "Made in USA" version of the phone for $2000.

It is a dumb argument on my part since while you can read through source code say assuming it's publicly accessible/not compiled... am __I__ personally going to scan through code line by line to know what's in there...

> Of course nobody alone can review the millions of lines of code that are required to make a modern operating system and its software, but having a large community of people who can look at the code and fix problems when they find them provides far more transparency than a security model based on trusting giant tech companies.

> "Made in USA" version of the phone for $2000

Yeah that's tough too man... it is nice regarding supporting domestic development but man.

Anyway as a whole I hope it becomes more ubiquitous although I imagine most people just want their phone to work not something they have to program/assemble/etc(I mean it does work OOB) but still not mainstream like Android/iOS. The app market share thing too as I remembered that may have been a big contributor to why the Windows phones died which I loved the design at the time I had a Lumia 920.

But yeah thanks for the info/providing both sides.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by blihp »

jcun4128 wrote: post #75
fsflover wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are waiting for "Pinephone 2", take a look at Librem 5: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5

$800? The ram is 3GB so wondering what the huge jump in price is.

Profit margin expectations.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by [deleted] »

fsflover wrote: post #78
jcun4128 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$800? The ram is 3GB so wondering what the huge jump in price is.

https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... and https://puri.sm/posts/breaking-ground/ Upd: from a consumer point of view, the answer would be "because it is innovative" [0] and it has much faster RAM and GPU [1]. [0] https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... [1] https://forums.puri.sm/t/comparing-specs-of-upcoming-linux-p...

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Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by stazz1 »

blihp wrote: post #76
enos_feedler wrote: post #59

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I’ve been using Mobian on the UBport edition for the last month. Sluggish doesn’t even describe the usability. I bought a few data only sims in hopes of leaving the house for short errands with different devices. There is no way I could leave the house with the pinephone. It isn’t usable yet. Could an extra gig of RAM solve this? It seems like it needs years of work.

As you noticed, it's not just a RAM issue. The problem is that Linux GUI and apps generally expect laptop/desktop-ish levels of hardware capabilities because that's what they were developed on/for. You're literally running the same code base that the x86 versions run, just recompiled for ARM. Most mobile SoCs, especially the ones that are Linux-friendly in terms of being open enough to be viable, are not even remotel…

Hmmm great points. Is this a "call for mobile versions" of classic Linux programs in a way?
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