this article is misleading. 250M people never participated in nationwide strike. it would be barely in thousands or hundreds.
250M people participate in nationwide strike in India
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Re: 250M people participate in nationwide strike in India
#42Any news articles or third-party reports to confirm that figure of 250M strikers? The only sources I've found on it so far are far-left political websites. I hesitate to trust e.g. Fox News when reporting on the size of Trump's inauguration; likewise, I am skeptical to trust far-left websites reporting on the size of a far-left rally (as pics of hammer-and-sickle flags seem to indicate). An independent report on the…
The number is from the unions and organizers involved in the strike. The sum of their members lists I would guess.
« The huge mobilisation, which organisers said involved 250 million people » https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/11/27/indi-n27.html
Re: 250M people participate in nationwide strike in India
#43Re: 250M people participate in nationwide strike in India
#44The article is very passionate, and as a resident of the US, I don't have a lot of context here. Just wanted to dump out some of what I found when looking deeper into this. Apparently 10 major unions have called for a strike for somewhere between 11-13 points of demands [1][2][3], though all sources seem to say "12 point charter of demands". Here are the 13, the first and the last are sometimes included and sometimes…
For a resident of US and who doesn't have much context in the ground reality, your beautiful articulation of demand of FDI stoppage and others, seems a deliberate attempt a spreading misinformation.
Now even hacker news is not a tool in left idealogy.
Re: 250M people participate in nationwide strike in India
#45There's been a bunch of articles on this from fringe/propaganda websites, which seem to be full of unreliable information. Here's a comment from an Indian that I found on Reddit:
"I'm Indian and the stupidity in these threads is palpable. Jesus
Firstly, the article cited by OP is an extremely clickbait and dishonest article
To clarify -- NO. There were NOT a quarter billion people marching down the streets.
The gist of the article is basically that there was a holiday strike organised by organised labor officials that simply AFFECTED 250 million people. And it essentially tries to imply that 250 million total workforce apparently participated in rebelious strike by the virtue of simply following the nation-wide holiday. Which is very nonseniscal
For context, the central government itself declared the strikes. And nation-wide and state-wide strikes have always been very common in India and happen at least 2-3 times every year and is fully supported by the government machinery and the constitution. Unlike the US, India does have some labor movement, but this doesn't mean every single one of the people partaking in it are anti-government left-wing workers lmao
In reality, this was not even at the centre of the news cycle in india and most people don't even know or care about the left-wing protests which is in the thousands (not hundreds of millions)
Despite what one would like to believe, the BJP continues to have a majority broad-based support overall.
State-wise though, it's a different story. just like America, India has a North-South dichotomy
Every single state in the South is non-BJP and ruled by centre-left parties, with the exception of my state of Karnataka (which was headed by a center-left party until 2019 but was flipped to the right by the BJP) and Kerala, which is the only remaining leftist stronghold and ruled by the 'Communist party of India - Marxist' (CPI-M). And almost every single state in the north is pro-BJP
Intrestingly enough though, Kerala (the communist state), is the most developed as per human development indices (almost 100% literacy rate, highest gdp per capita, >1 Male-Female sex ratio, lowest child mortality, highest healthcare coverage etc). It unfortunately has had the highest unemployement for any state in the country."
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Re: 250M people participate in nationwide strike in India
#46this article is misleading. 250M people never participated in nationwide strike. it would be barely in thousands or hundreds.
It's not even the first +100M strike in India.
https://qz.com/india/1516319/indias-trade-unions-to-strike-a...
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#47Farmers have been commiting suicide since the west imposed the green revolution in India, offering pesticides and chemicals changing crop yields and creating a big disparity between farmers, some became very rich and some poor. As a result they were already angry, this bill now is being used by opposition parties to spread misinformation, which gives them a combined reason to go out and protest. It is also funded by…
Yes, blame everything on the "West", the missionaries, liberals and the "opposition". If India was on it's "own" it would have been richer than USA, more progressive than EU and pigs would be flying by now.
Temp, even though I am an Indian I agree with you, this left head groups in India are going to blame everything on west. Which is not at all true. The Land laws in India limit the amount of Land a person can own, indirectly limiting the maximum earning potential. and so many other laws and red tapes.
I am boggled to think that I am typing all this on hackernews, seems leftists have entered this sane room as well.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are votes illegitimate because the voter is a communist? Whether someone has a right to vote in a democratic system shouldn't depend on their politics or gender or race.
Most people care about democracy not in the abstract procedural sense but because it tends to produce human rights respecting outcomes. We aren’t obligated to abstractly uphold democracy in the face of a majority holding Nazi symbols. The same logic should apply to other symbols of extreme oppression such as communist paraphernalia.
> We aren’t obligated to abstractly uphold democracy in the face of a majority holding Nazi symbols.
What if those people holding Nazi symbols want human-rights respecting outcomes that are very different from the ideology of the German Nazi party? If democracy is not just abstract and symbolic, you shouldn't dismiss a political party as undemocratic just because they use the wrong symbols, but look at the specific actions they take (the same holds for parties using the "right" symbols and paying lip service to democracy while trying to subvert it).
For example, the Indian state of Kerala is currently ruled by a government led by the Communist Party of India (Marxist), not in a one-party dictatorship, but as a coalition government of several parties. They have transitioned peacefully from government to opposition and back again multiple times over the decades. And yes, their party flag is red with a big hammer-and-sickle emblem. Does that last detail make them undemocratic?
Re: 250M people participate in nationwide strike in India
#49Other press describes protests of tens of thousands. 250M is far-fetched.
A strike and a protest is not the same. You can be on strike without taking parts in any protests. Strike is about work stoppage.
Re: 250M people participate in nationwide strike in India
#50The article is very passionate, and as a resident of the US, I don't have a lot of context here. Just wanted to dump out some of what I found when looking deeper into this. Apparently 10 major unions have called for a strike for somewhere between 11-13 points of demands [1][2][3], though all sources seem to say "12 point charter of demands". Here are the 13, the first and the last are sometimes included and sometimes…
For a resident of US and who doesn't have much context in the ground reality, your beautiful articulation of demand of FDI stoppage and others, seems a deliberate attempt a spreading misinformation. Now even hacker news is not a tool in left idealogy.
> your beautiful articulation of demand of FDI stoppage and others, seems a deliberate attempt a spreading misinformation.
It's just copy-pasted from the sources they link, not their own "beautiful articulation".
Accusing other users of deliberately attempting to spread misinformation is against the HN guidelines, by the way.