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Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by Vinnl »

m3adow wrote: post #119
Vinnl wrote: post #64

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Yeah, that's the thing that would worry me the most: it's nice and all that I can use many regular Android apps, but how do I know that that's safe? In practice, I'd probably still restrict myself to F-Droid, like I do today - the only app I'd like to use in addition is our Corona warn app.

If you're from Germany, that may work soon. The Corona Warn App may appear on F-Droid soon.

Yeah I'm following that, but I'm from the Netherlands. I do hope that once the German app works, the Dutch one will follow - the issue tracker of the Dutch app has an issue, which links to the German one.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by LarissaH1 »

joemazerino wrote: post #113
rst wrote: post #35

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The original developer of CopperheadOS is continuing the work as GrapheneOS, after a split with his former business partner, over dilutions of the privacy guarantees, among other things. https://grapheneos.org/

> over dilutions of the privacy guarantees, Has anyone found sources for this?

I can't find any.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by LarissaH1 »

_rdvw wrote: post #104
vdfs wrote: post #53

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Always feels like treading google for some other random developers

> random developers Micay, of GrapheneOS and original creator of CopperheadOS, is not some random. They have pushed AOSP security ahead and have made many upstream contributions over the years.

I don't think he was the creator. None of the more reliable sources I see say that he is. They all say he was an employee.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by _rdvw »

LarissaH1 wrote: post #124
_rdvw wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> random developers Micay, of GrapheneOS and original creator of CopperheadOS, is not some random. They have pushed AOSP security ahead and have made many upstream contributions over the years.

I don't think he was the creator. None of the more reliable sources I see say that he is. They all say he was an employee.

I remember when Micay first released CopperheadOS. I spent most of early 2015 learning enough about kernels to eventually successfully port it to the OnePlus One in November of 2015 with near full PaX support. https://github.com/Divested-Mobile/DivestOS-Build/blob/c0083...

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by Fnoord »

ForHackernews wrote: post #26
izacus wrote: post #13

One of the things that feels a bit problematic here - the webpage is avoiding mention of the fact that this is still Android. In essence, this is still Google's OS and the team has decided to start a fight against Google by taking their opensource and perpetually fight against the main developer by removing their proprietary component. I don't think this is a fight that's sustainable - a giant graveyard of Android pr…

I guess it depends where your priorities lie, but this effort seems _more_ sustainable to me because it can run most proprietary android apps, and everything on F-Droid right out of the box. PureOS has to try and reimplement an entire mobile app ecosystem just to get to parity with existing competitors.

The way to go, IMO, is having Android emulation on your device for backwards compatibility.

SailfishOS has this, and doesn't do tracking.

PureOS and Purism One implement some FOSS techniques and rebrand them. I believe Nextcloud does this as well. Not sure why projects don't clearly mention what they're based upon, especially when its a lot like original.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by Fnoord »

cordite wrote: post #86

I got the Silent Circle Blackphone [1] (or silent phone) back in 2016. My experience was terrible battery life, slow to update operating system, overall lack of attention. E Foundation strikes me as quite similar, I have high hopes for privacy in the mobile space but unless someone really can fund that indefinitely, I don't see updates going out for a $600 smart phone (499 euros) for the lifetime a phone should have.…

/e/ don't have their own device. You can for example buy a Fairphone 3 with Android and get /e/ on it, or buy a Fairphone 3 via /e/ with /e/ on it. The battery life of Fairphone 3 is good with Android, and good with /e/.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by Throwaway1771 »

LarissaH1 wrote: post #124
_rdvw wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> random developers Micay, of GrapheneOS and original creator of CopperheadOS, is not some random. They have pushed AOSP security ahead and have made many upstream contributions over the years.

I don't think he was the creator. None of the more reliable sources I see say that he is. They all say he was an employee.

You're reading shit/publicly editable sources.

Micay originated the Android Hardening Project, I believe it was called, and is the brains behind what was CopperheadOS, and now the superior GrapheneOS.

He was also a pretty instrumental Rust developer.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by Throwaway1771 »

LarissaH1 wrote: post #123
joemazerino wrote: post #113

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> over dilutions of the privacy guarantees, Has anyone found sources for this?

I can't find any.

Simply read the GrapheneOS IRC/Matrix channel. They log.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by Throwaway1771 »

jmnicolas wrote: post #47
doublerabbit wrote: post #8

Had me until it mentioned "the cloud" Does it force you to have data on the cloud? Or can you get by without using the cloud? Simply put: I don't want anyone having my data anywhere apart from me and my device.

Then go for GrapheneOS but be prepared to have to dev your own apps like I'm doing right now. And like the color of the Ford T, you will have the choice of your phone as long as it's a Pixel ;)

Hey fellow Graphene-r!

What apps are you writing for yourself on Graphene?

Have you considered being a maintainer for one of the companion apps/Graphene itself on a device? The project could really use you.

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