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Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Covid-19 deaths

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Re: Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Covid-19 deaths

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Post by filleduchaos »

neuronic wrote: post #232
filleduchaos wrote: post #198

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> Isn't Africa doing surprisingly well? I've always wanted to ask someone personally: why is the fact that African nations haven't been overrun by COVID-19 surprising? I mean, I live here and I'm certainly very pleased that we've had such positive outcomes. But the constant tone of surprise from foreigners was funny at first but is now mildly annoying if I'm being honest; not you, obviously, but I've read one too man…

AFAIK it's basically demographics. Younger, less obese overall, not stuffed with industrial trash food over decades resulting in less comorbidities. Also, if the vitamin D angle holds, Africa is probably pretty well positioned on that front. I would REALLY like to see COVID ICU numbers in regions with a significant marine/fish diet versus others. (Although, imho, nutritional science is largely opinionated guess work…

I mean, I for one wouldn't be so bold as to claim that people are less sick here. For example the vast majority of my country is a holoendemic area for one of the world's deadliest diseases (malaria).

Although, speaking of which, it seems nearly certain to me that there could be an interaction between malaria [antibodies] and SARS-CoV2, but very few people indeed seem interested in researching that. Oh well

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Post by auganov »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #10

It's unfortunate that it is not simple to get regular tests for vitamin and mineral deficiencies. The whole process seems to be stuck behind the doctor appointment firewall. This might be one of the reasons why Theranos was so readily believed. As the quantified self movement that gained popularity around the same time showed, there's an appetite in certain segments of the population for this type of testing and trac…

In a clinical setting when you know what you're looking for, blood tests are great. Randomly running panels on yourself, you'll have a hard time distinguishing signal from noise. Or even worse interference. Say, taking high doses of Biotin is known to interfere with many tests.

By all means, I'd rather have that data on myself than not. But I can see why the doctors wouldn't be too crazy about it.

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Post by marcus_holmes »

bserge wrote: post #222
treeman79 wrote: post #166

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Suffered horrific migraines for years. Was using injections that costs thousands. My routine these days? Magnesium, Vit D, and massaging TMJ joint. Diet helps a lot too. Cure cancer, no. Help various issues, often.

The thing is, this is very personal. No one knows you better than yourself. I wish people were allowed to just experiment with different solutions. Sign a paper saying that you take full responsibility and they're not obligated to treat you and that's it. Some people live in areas that good doctors left a long time ago.

this. Human bodies are different in subtle ways. Medical trials exclude outlier results, for good reasons. But if you're an outlier then it matters.

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Post by skj »

Uberphallus wrote: post #240
SifJar wrote: post #226

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Do you have some evidence of this?

Yes, the very same paper. > Although results of an observational study, such as this one, need to be interpreted with caution, as done by the authors [1], due to the potential of residual confounding or reverse causality (i.e., vitamin D insufficiency resulting from poor health status at baseline rather than vice versa), You need a control group with vitamin D deficiency but no other health issues to prove the hypoth…

Rather, a control group who does not take vitamin D supplements. Choose them randomly and you can find causation (or lack thereof).

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Post by treeman79 »

weego wrote: post #205
refurb wrote: post #195

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How do you know your migraines wouldn’t have gone away without your self treatment? I mean, there are cases of cancers that resolve on their own. That’s why we don’t make medical decisions based off anecdotes.

I'm not sure what value you think your point has, especially as the OP wasn't attempting to detail their entire medical history. Yes it could just disappear, but for some migraines are a chronic issue and the meds for it are preventative and not a cure. I'm not sure if you've dealt with chronic illnesses but I can tell you from experience that a lot of us regularly attempt to come off our meds to see if anything has…

I can test migraines easily. Walk into Walmart or Target, or my old office.

10 minutes and I have a full blown migraine. (Lights)

If I’ve been solid with magnesium that time goes to an hour or two.

FL-41 lenses will add an hour to time as well.

Many other triggers, but light is the most consistent for me.

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Post by treeman79 »

0_____0 wrote: post #179
treeman79 wrote: post #166

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Suffered horrific migraines for years. Was using injections that costs thousands. My routine these days? Magnesium, Vit D, and massaging TMJ joint. Diet helps a lot too. Cure cancer, no. Help various issues, often.

What was the process by which you found your self-treatment regimen? I've heard of magnesium's role with muscle clenching, what do the other things do?

Had a LOT of muscle aches. Took it for a few weeks. Aches went away. Mostly stopped taking it.repeat every few months.

Later on I started hearing from many sources to try it for migraines.

Realized my migraines had been ebbing and worsening a lot. Got serous about taking it. About A 50% reduction In severity. Had multi hour ones 7 days a week. Can’t walk kind.

Dentist suggested a mouth guard for TMJ. I looked up videos on it. Found a massage one, found a bad trigger point. 3 days later it eased up. Poof migraines almost completely gone.

I tried basically everything.

Elimination diet to find troublesome foods, etc. Prism glasses, etc

Too much for here

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Post by refurb »

weego wrote: post #205
refurb wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know your migraines wouldn’t have gone away without your self treatment? I mean, there are cases of cancers that resolve on their own. That’s why we don’t make medical decisions based off anecdotes.

I'm not sure what value you think your point has, especially as the OP wasn't attempting to detail their entire medical history. Yes it could just disappear, but for some migraines are a chronic issue and the meds for it are preventative and not a cure. I'm not sure if you've dealt with chronic illnesses but I can tell you from experience that a lot of us regularly attempt to come off our meds to see if anything has…

I'm certainly not arguing against trying different treatments and self-experimentation. If had a chronic illness I'd do the same.

I'm arguing against the experience of anyone person being applicable to anyone other than that one person. That why we have the FDA and randomized controlled trials. There are so many confounding factors that unless you test a treatment under very strict conditions, there is a very good chance you observed is completely unrelated to the treatment. Hell, drug manufacturers run trials and fall into that trap all the time.

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Post by TomSwirly »

hda111 wrote: post #225
mattmanser wrote: post #189

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The fatality rate was high in vitamin D deficient (21% vs 3.1%).

It’s just a correlation. No need to take vitamin d.

Why do you say this?

Almost half of Americans are vitamin D deficient, a lot more if you are Black or Hispanic: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-deficiency-sy...

Vitamin D is very cheap, and it takes a lot to overdose: https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h...

Up until a very short time ago, humans spent most of their time outside, and sunscreen did not exist. Now we spend nearly all our time inside, and many of us wear sunscreen whenever it's really sunny.

And there's a serious correlation between low vitamin D levels and COVID-19 fatalities.

We haven't proved causation yet, and we might never, but given the previous three points, there's every good reason to take vitamin D.

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Post by justsomeuser »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #10

It's unfortunate that it is not simple to get regular tests for vitamin and mineral deficiencies. The whole process seems to be stuck behind the doctor appointment firewall. This might be one of the reasons why Theranos was so readily believed. As the quantified self movement that gained popularity around the same time showed, there's an appetite in certain segments of the population for this type of testing and trac…

I agree. I asked my doctor for blood tests but he refused as I didn’t have any symptoms.

The whole system is set up to fix things after they go wrong, not to prevent them in the first place.

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