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Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Covid-19 deaths

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Re: Vitamin D insufficiency may account for almost 90% of Covid-19 deaths

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Post by jb775 »

1234throwaway wrote: post #125
peteretep wrote: post #46

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> No European educational institution or government wants to publicise research highlighting that ethnic groups etc This is just not true and sounds like some weird dog whistle: https://ambulance.libguides.com/c.php?g=677734&p=4854430 From there is the following study which concludes “ Greater risk of severe COVID-19 in Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic populations is not explained by cardiometabolic, socioeconomic or…

The parent comment here said publicise, not publish. The studies will go ahead, but you won't see the mainstream media putting this on the front page. The reason is that it's too sensitive. Look at the massive argument and tension that was generated just from someone pointing out that certain skin types are not suited to certain environments (melanin skin to north europe, non-melanin skin to australia) - nobody who v…

You won't see the mainstream media publicize any non-vaccine solution because they're in the business of fear-mongering and because they have a chummy relationship with big pharma.

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Post by turing_complete »

pacaro wrote: post #193
pacaro wrote: post #191

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I lived in the UK during the vCJD panic (colloquially mad cow disease), this bars me from giving blood or being an organ donor. For a sense of scale a total of 177 people have died of vCJD, out of a UK population of approx 60,000,000

To be fair, I do understand that universally fatal, untreatable, undiagnosable, undetectable diseases with unknown incubation periods are scary, and I understand that blood donation is an amplification factor for blood borne diseases, hence the caution.

Well, but it was over 20, maybe over 30 years ago. I understand your anger.

Imagine, the UK would adapt this rule.

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Post by elcomet »

DevX101 wrote: post #79

Authors controlled for age, sex. But I'd like to see additional control for race. Black people have less Vitamin D due to melanin blocking sunlight. And black people are disproportionately impacted by COVID. So I'm now curious whether it's really Vitamin D deficiency that's causing the poor outcomes, or some racial socioeconomic factor that Vitamin D is simply a marker for.

> And black people are disproportionately impacted by COVID.

Only on America. You say it like it's the case in the whole world.

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Post by CodeGlitch »

westwing wrote: post #76
stordoff wrote: post #36

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FWIW, I've seen the NHS mention it quite a few times. Example: > People with dark skin, such as those of African, African-Caribbean or south Asian origin, will need to spend longer in the sun to produce the same amount of vitamin D as someone with lighter skin. https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/how-to-get-vitamin...

It can be mentioned as a footnote, because it is scientific fact. However, given the vastly higher death rates among people with darker skin, it should be shouted from the rooftops. Unfortunately, this would put into question the narrative that anything but systemic racism may be to blame. Furthermore, pointing out that people with darker skin are not adapted to live up north could easily be misconstrued as an anti-i…

Glad I'm not the only one who thought this.

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Post by weego »

refurb wrote: post #195
treeman79 wrote: post #166

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Suffered horrific migraines for years. Was using injections that costs thousands. My routine these days? Magnesium, Vit D, and massaging TMJ joint. Diet helps a lot too. Cure cancer, no. Help various issues, often.

How do you know your migraines wouldn’t have gone away without your self treatment? I mean, there are cases of cancers that resolve on their own. That’s why we don’t make medical decisions based off anecdotes.

I'm not sure what value you think your point has, especially as the OP wasn't attempting to detail their entire medical history.

Yes it could just disappear, but for some migraines are a chronic issue and the meds for it are preventative and not a cure.

I'm not sure if you've dealt with chronic illnesses but I can tell you from experience that a lot of us regularly attempt to come off our meds to see if anything has changed 'underneath' the drugs, as often the drugs have other side effects that make it hard to tell what's really going on.

It's highly likely then that the OP has indeed tested to see whether their migraines have just gone.

It's also odd when people defiantly state that we don't make medical decisions based on anecdotes when clearly all medical decisions were once anecdotes that were then tested for efficacy and became best practice.

The most clear recent example of medicine catching up with annecdoatal evodence for me is severe epileptic using diet manipulation to manage their condition when prescription medicine did little to nothing as a preventative.

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Post by nucleardog »

dimensi0nal wrote: post #91
nucleardog wrote: post #86

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Seems like that could easily work places with universal healthcare. Very little incentive to donate for free lab work when any medically necessary lab work would be done for free anyway. And second that, would happily donate in exchange for curiousity-fulfilling bloodwork.

The obstacle isn’t the cost of labs, it’s the gatekeeping. Having to go to the doctor for basic bloodwork is still inconvenient even if it’s free.

The comment I replied to was suggesting doing these panels as part of donating blood as an added incentive, but was worried that people would intentionally donate while unhealthy in order to receive free lab work.

I said that isn't a problem places where medical lab work already has no cost, as no one would be incentivized to donate blood just to receive lab work.

Not sure where this got lost along the way since this is one of two comments effectively replying to the same misunderstanding.

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Post by AstralStorm »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #152
wolco2 wrote: post #142

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Vitamin D taken orally needs to bind with Calcium or Mg. Sun Lamps may be a better option for the at risk group.

Elderly can't produce vitamin D.

Not particularly. They tend to have faulty liver more often though preventing them from producing enough cholesterol, and need more to handle the general cell damage, so less remains in the skin to synthesize vitamin D...

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Post by neuronic »

adrianN wrote: post #135
alfalfasprout wrote: post #102

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Well, you'd be surprised how much great research doesn't make it into Nature, et al. I wouldn't discount the paper purely because of that.

"Treat it as if it were a preprint" is different from discounting the paper.

That's the science-snobby way of dismissing it.

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Post by gadders »

mrandish wrote: post #57

When the third supportive pre-print paper was released in late April I started my elderly mother on a D3 supplement. As more papers came out in May I started my whole family on it. I read up on dosing and it's pretty hard to overdose unless megadosing over a sustained period of time and negative reactions/interactions are rare. We've been supplementing ~5k to 10k IU daily (total, incl any multi-vitamins) depending on…

I orderered up some 2000IU vitamin D3 from CostCo for my elderly Dad in May. He's pretty much housebound at the moment with underlying health conditions, so I figured it couldn't hurt and might help.

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Post by lostlogin »

Fishysoup wrote: post #164
zackees wrote: post #156

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Also - big tech is coming out against vitamin supplementation with their creepy censorship: Example of YouTube saying they will ban vit. c videos using the "misinformation" label: https://twitter.com/i/status/1252676099169038337 Vit. c is known to be a potent immune booster. So this is a real head scratcher.

There's no such thing as an "immune booster". The immune system is incredibly complex and nuanced, and there isn't a knob (or 10) that you can tweak to turn it up or down. It exists in a continuum of largely understood configurations, and it can learn and adapt (not always with good results). If anything, "boosting" it as in turning up immune activity is usually terrible (think auto-immune disorders, inflammation, ca…

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