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No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Post by ineedasername »

organsnyder wrote: post #387
Aeolun wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, it seems a tad reckless to make the first attempt at vaccination with this method one that targets the entire world population.

Given the desperate times, it actually seems like an ideal time. Even if there is some unknown side-effect, it only has to be less worse than the current situation to still be a net benefit.

You say that now, but when you're part of a vast planet-wide meat computer transformed by the "vaccine" that aliens developed to turn us into their next-gen CPUs (5*10^11 neurons per sq. Kilometer!) ... Well, I'm guessing if that happened you'd feel a bit silly.

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Post by ineedasername »

abiogenesis wrote: post #366
SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #299

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Yes, they are "cures". Yes, you will.

Is it correct to say that an mRNA based vaccine wouldn't work for that virus anyway if you can get infected with the same thing a year later?

Vaccines have a shelf life in your body. It's good to get a titer every once in a while to make sure you don't need a booster. A year would be short though, unless you mean variants/mutations, which would really be reinfection, not with the same thing.

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Post by easde »

mssundaram wrote: post #380
zeroimpl wrote: post #375

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That's precisely why there is a control group.

And that's what I mean, the control group may be avoiding exposure altogether.

The study compares how many people in the experimental group and control group develop symptomatic COVID-19. In this case 11 people in the experimental group developed COVID-19 versus 185 in the control group. Thus the vaccine is approximately 185 / (185 + 11) = 94% effective, assuming both groups behaved similarly.

If the control group intentionally avoided exposure more than the experimental group, then the vaccine is even more effective than the study result. This is a blinded study though, so participants don't know which group they're in unless they go out of their way to find out (eg. taking an antibody test).

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Post by staticautomatic »

tesmar2 wrote: post #395

Is it true that the flesh of murdered babies (embryonic stem cells) was used during the research for this vaccine?

I don’t think this should be downvoted just because it’s crass. In a way its crassness illustrates an important point. We have a vocabulary for abortion which very deliberately avoids confronting the simple fact that it involves killing an unborn child. That is the choice in pro-choice. Anyway, yeah, we make valuable things out of dead unborn babies. It’s a hell of a silver lining.

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Post by zzzeek »

barbs wrote: post #334
JasonFruit wrote: post #277

I was reading about Moderna today, and I found a number of articles from 2017-18 expressing concern about their secretiveness and impatience with both safety precautions and the failures that are inevitable in drug trials, based on the experiences of former employees and science journals. I can't deny that makes me nervous. I didn't see anything about it after that time, however.

Do you have any links to these articles?

I came across these in my own reading today related to moderna's early troubles, from 2016 / 2017:

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/

https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-bio...

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Post by wait_a_minute »

orblivion wrote: post #327
wait_a_minute wrote: post #217

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Why aren't you fond of transhumanism? At some point medicine and technology will advance so much that we can save and improve many lives by replacing bits of ourselves with superior artificial variants. Is that so bad?

I don't even care about the risks. It's about changing the rules so much that we don't know what game we're even playing. If you stop caring what's technically a human anymore, you have to reconsider the imperative to propagate the human race. Who are you propagating and why? What's the point of any of it anyway? Granted I'm disinclined to propagate the human race anyway, so I guess I may actually be ahead of you.

I don't consider it being ahead to be disinclined to propagate the human race. I mean, if you're just advocating that for yourself that is one thing. But advocating that as a position in general is misanthropic and in my view not a tenable or healthy position.

In any case, if you don't care about the risks and are just concerned with the meaning about why we propagate and what the point of anything is, then I must point out that I'm not super interested in discussing this. I was more getting at why someone would oppose transhumanism, but this doesn't seem tone a meaningful critique of transhumanism as much as it is a sort of pessimism about why we do anything or we should propagate at all.

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Post by dragonwriter »

nobleach wrote: post #68
blhack wrote: post #48

Does anybody have a good link for a layman's overview of how mRNA vaccines work? Lot's of nervousness from people around this, and would love to be able to help quell some of that.

I'm interested in this as the only pushback I've heard has been from some Christian folks on YouTube claiming that we're no longer "human" if we hack or mix our DNA. I tend to look at it more like "right to repair". If I buy an iPhone, I should be able to hack it to my heart's content. I have no idea if that's the angle you're mentioning. I'd be really interested to hear the other potential dangers that others see.

> Christian folks on YouTube claiming that we're no longer "human" if we hack or mix our DNA

So, if we get a virus, we aren't human?

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