Ultimately I agree, but this is one hell of a slippery slope with a pit of spikes at the bottom.
It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google
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Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google
#32It's a trap.
Not for the reader, or Google/Facebook. For Nillium.
No news company that I am aware of has learned how to have both credible editorial oversight and profit in the digital age. It seems that every news source, even the legacy new organizations, have an inherent strong bias, either explicitly in the narrative they espouse, or implicitly in the stories they don't report.
It's maddening.
Nillium touts their editorial board. Who are they? What is their experience? What is their approach to ensuring the news they release is based in facts, with follow up and naming of sources, explores both sides of a discussion and respects the privacy of those in the story? Importantly, do they eschew partisan framing and narratives and truly seek to be unbiased?
Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google
#33Besides the obvious conflicts of interested pointed out a really serious consequence of removing news would be that users would go directly to their news sources and as a result would be in an even bigger/stronger echo chamber.
e: Is there a way to flag a user or domain?
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#34> For too long, journalists have given away their stories for free in exchange for distribution by the duopoly. The news industry does not "give" their stories to Facebook or Google. It allows the placement of links to the stories on those sites. (I use the term "allow" loosely, since in many jurisdictions they do not have the right to restrict in-linking.) The news industry is free to try to prevent in-linking. The…
It boggles my mind that the same people who support mainstream news coverage as legitimate journalism would also agree with you that people need to stop reading so much news and news is the reason there is so much polarization.
News is good and legitimate, and news is also causing huge societal problems?
Not accusing you of this sentiment, more just frustrated that any respects journalism in this day and age
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#35What the governments need to do is just ban news content from social media, period.
What counts as social media, though, especially in an age of Discus, federated media platforms and Hacker News?
Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google
#36Way back I remember when everyone knew newspapers were dying. Some people thought it was new competition with tv news. Other people thought bullshit sales tactics by newspapers pushed people away.
Then I saw the aggregated news feeds of google. I learnt exactly why journalism was dying. They outright publish known lies. https://twitter.com/DylanByers/status/794617569823064068
Anyone who has ever been in the news will tell you that the news always gets the story wrong. The scale of the news is vast. if you analyze every instance of journalism you will find it's entirely false. Whether or not this is intentional is unclear. Hanlon's razor suggests that journalists are probably just stupid. Which is quite true.
You might ask, why is journalism so bad in the last 10 years? STEM. We have pulled talent out of social sciences leaving the bottom of the barrel in journalism.
Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google
#37> For too long, journalists have given away their stories for free in exchange for distribution by the duopoly. The news industry does not "give" their stories to Facebook or Google. It allows the placement of links to the stories on those sites. (I use the term "allow" loosely, since in many jurisdictions they do not have the right to restrict in-linking.) The news industry is free to try to prevent in-linking. The…
It boggles my mind that the same people who support mainstream news coverage as legitimate journalism would also agree with you that people need to stop reading so much news and news is the reason there is so much polarization. News is good and legitimate, and news is also causing huge societal problems? Not accusing you of this sentiment, more just frustrated that any respects journalism in this day and age
There can be too much of a good thing. And not all news is contextualized in a way that helps people understand how big or small of a deal a given thing is.
Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google
#38Continuing the discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25259370