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Over Half of U.S. Young Adults Now Live with Their Parents

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Multigenerational housing is really a very sensible option: your parents probably have a house large enough for them and several other people, they have items like kitchenware and furniture for those people, plus various tools that have been picked up over the years to deal with problems you don't yet realize you'll one day encounter. It makes little sense to duplicate all this every generation while the previous iteration sits idle. It might hurt consumer spending if young adults can spend the first few years of their career saving instead of buying out the wazoo, but it is certainly a more efficient use of resources.

Parents can provide both knowledge and material support for various tasks related to home making and child rearing. It's nice to have someone who's done it before right there to answer any question and give you a hand rather than reinventing the wheel every generation. Splitting up chores more ways leaves everyone less exhausted, and allows for more specialization. You may not like your parents' style, but it's better than doing everything yourself.

The benefits go both ways. As your parents age, they become more feeble. Live in children can take care of their parents without spending a fortune on professional care services. Further many risks of old age like falls are greatly mitigated the more frequent there is human contact. Money that would have been spent on young laborers can instead be put towards retirement savings, again perhaps a macroeconomic loss but great for the individual.

Multi-generational housing is common in many societies. That it is uncommon in modern western culture is really an anomaly: the industrial revolution and subsequent scientific advances meant a sudden boom in the population and rapid changes in lifestyle, you couldn't simply have everyone stay on the farm their whole life, most people had to move to a city and start a new household. Now that populations are stabilizing, it makes sense that we would revert to the system we had before.

Re: Over Half of U.S. Young Adults Now Live with Their Parents

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I have been taking care of my elderly mother, who would be vaguely defined as "not well" in the Southern sense of things, since my twenties. I did go into it with my eyes open, knowing the kinds of tradeoffs I was making. I could live alone, but this was a choice I made to help her. However, I was unprepared in the extreme for the ambient hostility toward men who live with their mothers, no matter the reason. I do no…

> upon finding out my situation, make it abundantly clear that they would not date me, despite me not asking. I refer to this as "pre-jection."

That sounds awful. How exactly do they go about this?

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do get tax breaks, and a number of other benefits (in particular related to having children). You also get a tax break on a certain amount of paid interest on a house purchase. Plus, there's the whole " allowed to be next to your loved one in the hospital" thing that's overlooked until it's needed. So, no 40 acres, but there are benefits beyond two incomes.

I have no idea what tax breaks I'm supposed to have gotten from being married. Our collective taxes went up after being married. Is the tax thing folklore from the era when only one partner worked? And mortgage interest being deductible has nothing to do with marriage.

I (well, We) got one. It's going to vary based on your number of dependents and your tax bracket. Tax law being so super-easy-to-understand here in the states. /s

WRT mortgages, given some of the other threads in this discussion pointing out that something like 70% of millennial homeowners were married, it certainly seems relevant.

EDIT: It looks like it really depends on the income levels of both parties. Two well paid professionals will probably see a penalty filing jointly, whereas a single professional income will likely see a benefit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_penalty

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I have been taking care of my elderly mother, who would be vaguely defined as "not well" in the Southern sense of things, since my twenties. I did go into it with my eyes open, knowing the kinds of tradeoffs I was making. I could live alone, but this was a choice I made to help her. However, I was unprepared in the extreme for the ambient hostility toward men who live with their mothers, no matter the reason. I do no…

> upon finding out my situation, make it abundantly clear that they would not date me, despite me not asking. I refer to this as "pre-jection." That sounds awful. How exactly do they go about this?

Just as an example: one gal asked about my living situation, with regards to roommates. I was forthright about it, gave a little "what can you do?" shrug. I was a little startled as her vocal tone immediately changed to a mocking one as she delivered a "Awww, widdle at_a_remove wivves with his Mooo-mmy!" and then sneered. (Note that this person would describe herself as kind, liberal, thoughtful, and so on)

Similarly, if less vituperatively, some simply announce "I could never date a guy who lives with his mother!" immediately after, although I had not offered a date.

It is sometimes a struggle to be pleasant in these situations. I sometimes do want to ask if they would like to be abandoned by their children if they were older and fell upon hard times, but I restrain myself.

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My heart goes out to the young adults forced to continue to live in abusive family situations due to economic instability right now. Achieving financial independence from my parents probably saved my life as a young adult, and I worry for young people in bad situations who will now have trouble getting away.

Not downplaying your personal experiences, but the reverse can also be true. Watch some episodes of Live PD.

Re: Over Half of U.S. Young Adults Now Live with Their Parents

#77

The US is a gerontocracy. We are going to end up exactly like Japan, a whole generation of young people passing on kids due to economic and environmental stress with no-one to replace them. The stats tell the story. Young people are the largest part of the workforce[0], but we work for lower wages and have a TINY amount of the wealth in comparison to older generations[1]. The number of my friends who are hamstrung by…

The millennial generation has made terrible decision egged on by the previous. No one needed all those degrees to begin with. Most are useless to the larger economy. That along with the choice to stay single longer has doomed this generation.

I will say that I got a useful degree ( computer science ) from a university I could afford and have already paid off my debt.

I mostly agree, I don't know what people were thinking what was going to happen when they majored in underwater basket weaving.

I don't pretend know why people chose to go so deeply into debt. I do know a lot of smart people I respect made this decision, so it is more complicated than simply saying "screw the millennial."

However: There is now a mess that is damaging our society. When there is a fire going on, one does not stand around pointing fingers trying to figure out who started the fire. We put the fire out and figure the rest out afterwards. Millenial student debt is stifling their ability to build wealth, participate in the economy, and damaging their quality of life to the point they choose not to have children. I think this is a problem worth solving.

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A marriage of equals does not work. If every decision has to get a consensus it leads to ample opportunity for deep resentment, stress and a lower quality of life overall. One parter must be the dominant one.

Which is what led to big rates of domestic abuse and violence.

Well we have well enforced laws against that which should doubtless remain unchanged. I’m saying the expectation going into a marriage should be that one partner is dominant so there are no power struggles much like a hierarchy in a company.

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post #16

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By that token so can 20 people working together.

Sure but getting 20 people to live together for an extended period of time is logistically difficult. Two people who already want to be/live together can more easily commit to long economic partnerships like buying a house. It's important to note that while people have been getting married for a long time, having two incomes is relatively new and only recently the norm since women were discouraged from entering the w…

Single income families are a very recent aberration that covers a tiny slice of human history. In medieval Europe for example everyone gathered the harvest.

It’s largely an outgrowth of extreme prosperity and urbanization.

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post #47

Most 18-22 years waste 4 years in university not acquiring any skills that would help them in a competitive job market. As a result, they move back in with mom and dad at age 22, now thousands of dollars in debt.

That's why the acronym STEM was invented, to separate college that makes you poorer from college that might make you better off.
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