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Bitcoin Price Hits All-Time High of $19,786, Topping 2017 Record

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Re: Bitcoin Price Hits All-Time High of $19,786, Topping 2017 Record

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Looks like it won't break the $20k threshold again. Back down it goes... I knew this was about to happen again when, just like last time, I heard regular "non-techy" people talk about it at work.

I love the crypto oracles who can sense what direction various coins are "supposed" to head to next.

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It seems like a lot until you consider that it has been surpassed by many other investments in terms of gains such as Tesla, Paypal, Palantir stock and others. The days of Bitcoin going up 10-50x in a year are over, but still interesting to see what happens next. I think increasing regulation and the use of blacklists and 'coin tainting' erode whatever use bitcoin has though, as there will be no fungibility. This mak…

Given that BTC isnt based on any NPV or earnings multiple or industrial use value but is rather based on scarcity value, I dont see why gaining 10-50x returns are any more or less likely than, say, losing 90% of the value. Could anyone provide a more methodical way of thinking about this?

Not suggesting that this is correct in this case (edit: indeed, one can argue that it is not), but if you think of it as a store of value, whenever the USD money supply is increased (or people think it might be in the future), one might expect the fixed-quantity BTC to be exchangeable for more USD.

See: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1 .

Relative to the early days of Bitcoin, the room to fluctuate upward is much smaller than the room to fluctuate downward. Bitcoin's market cap is ~$200B, while M1 is ~$6000B. Back in the day, Bitcoin's market cap was a few million dollars or less. That said, BTC now has a powerful brand in the eyes of many possible buyers/holders, which makes a retreat all the way to zero far less likely.

I suspect that the only things that could kill BTC completely these days are a compromise of the hash algorithm, a coordinated effort against it by a consortium of governments that must include the US, or a devastating 51% attack by a consortium of miners. The third is perhaps least-likely, as the miners would stand to lose a lot if BTC imploded.

Re: Bitcoin Price Hits All-Time High of $19,786, Topping 2017 Record

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that BTC isnt based on any NPV or earnings multiple or industrial use value but is rather based on scarcity value, I dont see why gaining 10-50x returns are any more or less likely than, say, losing 90% of the value. Could anyone provide a more methodical way of thinking about this?

Not suggesting that this is correct in this case (edit: indeed, one can argue that it is not), but if you think of it as a store of value, whenever the USD money supply is increased (or people think it might be in the future), one might expect the fixed-quantity BTC to be exchangeable for more USD. See: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1 . Relative to the early days of Bitcoin, the room to fluctuate upward is much…

Thanks! This is a great explanation. I imagine expending it from M1 to also include other major countries' money supply would be a good next step in the analysis.

Curious if you could recommend any good read on BTC upside potential given this framework -- for example, right now the M1:BTC ratio is 1:30, but what factors/behaviours would dictate that ratio to change? or is the idea that the ratio keeps constant with more inflation and thus pushes BTC higher?

Re: Bitcoin Price Hits All-Time High of $19,786, Topping 2017 Record

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It missed breaking the all time high on most exchanges, such as Coinbase Pro. There the all time high from 2017 was $19,892 and the highest price so far today was $19,873.

If it breaks over $20k I expect a new wave of publicity that will drive the price higher, as has happened in the past. Now it is far more accessible as an impulse buy with PayPal, Robinhood, Cash app, etc offering instant purchases.

Re: Bitcoin Price Hits All-Time High of $19,786, Topping 2017 Record

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Looks like it won't break the $20k threshold again. Back down it goes... I knew this was about to happen again when, just like last time, I heard regular "non-techy" people talk about it at work.

I know it's gonna hit 20k at some point since I haven't seen media talking about it yet. Not enough FOMO

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Re: Bitcoin Price Hits All-Time High of $19,786, Topping 2017 Record

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While the market is likely driven by fomo and manipulation, cryptocurrencies do have valuable use-cases. See this book[0] for a list of some and an explanation of how Bitcoin works. [0]: https://whycryptocurrencies.com/

There is not a single use case better solved by cryptocurrencies or blockchain than by a classical solution. Name one, I’ll wait. When there is I’ll eat my, err, hat.

Re: Bitcoin Price Hits All-Time High of $19,786, Topping 2017 Record

#20

Cryptocurrency is still a misunderstood concept for many ppl in the financial world. As use and integration increases, btc will likely stabilise. Meanwhile, we get interesting volatility.

Volatility is its principal feature in the financial world.
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