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No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Hurray for a vaccine that is > 90% effective on a disease that for those who get it have a > 99% survival rate. Bring on the new overlords.

I guess survival rate means a different thing from side effects. I would be still cautious with that statement and not underestimate it.

Not to mention the side effect of the collapse of our healthcare system.

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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post #54

Hurray for a vaccine that is > 90% effective on a disease that for those who get it have a > 99% survival rate. Bring on the new overlords.

I guess survival rate means a different thing from side effects. I would be still cautious with that statement and not underestimate it.

Side effects of shutdowns include:

* depression * suicide * poverty -> famine and disease * missed education * dependency on gov * freedoms given up and transferred to gov

I also agree that there are other side effects, just like every disease.

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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note there is not a claim this vaccine prevents infection, only lessens symptoms, meaning you are still contagious.

"We all expect an effective vaccine to prevent serious illness if infected. Three of the vaccine protocols—Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca—do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as cough, or headache."

"Prevention of infection is not a criterion for success for any of these vaccines. In fact, their endpoints all require confirmed infections and all those they will include in the analysis for success, the only difference being the severity of symptoms between the vaccinated and unvaccinated."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/cov...

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess survival rate means a different thing from side effects. I would be still cautious with that statement and not underestimate it.

Not to mention the side effect of the collapse of our healthcare system.

I agree, by having a shutdown and mandatory at-home confinements and fear mongering, you have people not attending hospitals and the like for routine and checkups for more serious diseases.

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Does anybody have a good link for a layman's overview of how mRNA vaccines work? Lot's of nervousness from people around this, and would love to be able to help quell some of that.

My recent absolute favorite is Lupe Fiasco explaining it to Hotep Jesus (some NSFW language):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0MA48bfshw#t=2h14m3s

The overall video is a about vaccines in general (Hotep Jesus is rather skeptical of them), but Lupe explaining how mRNA vaccines work starts at this timestamp. There's also a place where the audio cuts out. It's only a minute or so, but they go back and finish where they left off.

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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>>> Anti-vaxxers immediately jump on any report of possible adverse events in a vaccine trial (which are thoroughly investigated, of course). >>> Let’s spare a thought today for the person who signed up for the Moderna vaccine trial, received two placebo shots and died of covid19. https://twitter.com/kakape/status/1333401133260419072 --- edit: Please explain the downvotes. The vaccine volunteer would be alive if he w…

I don’t know about the downvotes, perhaps because it’s only tangentially related to the post? But I appreciated the thought. Talk about an unsung hero. Whoever died on the placebo died so that the rest of us can have the knowledge that we have a safe and effective vaccine. We should be grateful to them.

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Does anybody have a good link for a layman's overview of how mRNA vaccines work? Lot's of nervousness from people around this, and would love to be able to help quell some of that.

I'm interested in this as the only pushback I've heard has been from some Christian folks on YouTube claiming that we're no longer "human" if we hack or mix our DNA. I tend to look at it more like "right to repair". If I buy an iPhone, I should be able to hack it to my heart's content.

I have no idea if that's the angle you're mentioning. I'd be really interested to hear the other potential dangers that others see.

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Does anybody have a good link for a layman's overview of how mRNA vaccines work? Lot's of nervousness from people around this, and would love to be able to help quell some of that.

Edit: I do plan to get the vaccine, but as a software engineer I know beta versions usually have the most “bugs” — and I have the health privilege to be in the back of the line so I will!

Citation?

Re: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

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Does anybody have a good link for a layman's overview of how mRNA vaccines work? Lot's of nervousness from people around this, and would love to be able to help quell some of that.

Edit: I do plan to get the vaccine, but as a software engineer I know beta versions usually have the most “bugs” — and I have the health privilege to be in the back of the line so I will!

A sunburn can change/damage your DNA.
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