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It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google

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Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google

#11
I don't get the argument that Facebook and Google are exploiting the news industry. Wouldn't people go to the site afterward? They are only reading the headline on Facebook or maybe a small summarized snippet on Google.

Does the author of this piece believe that Hacker News is exploiting her? Evidently not, as she posted it here. Like news organizations tend to do on Facebook or use AMP on Google.

Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google

#12
Towards the end of the post we find out why they want to block news links from Facebook and Google, they are setting up a competing platform.

“That’s why we’re building Forth, a news-first platform that pays journalists for their work and offers the audience concise updates with context -- from the reporters they trust. All revenue generated on Forth is shared with our news partners.

We only allow trusted and credible journalists (vetted by our editorial team) to publish to the platform. It's a one-stop shop for accurate information about what's happening right now.”

Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google

#13
> We only allow trusted and credible journalists (vetted by our editorial team) to publish to the platform.

"Vetted by our editorial team" sounds insanely slow, which will be an excuse when biased Forth staff don't want to approve writers they don't personally like.

Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google

#15
This won’t work. It’s fantastically easy for a low-quality site to summarise paywalled news articles (and it happens already).

Unfortunately newspapers made a massive mistake giving their news away for free in the early 00s. That set a precedent that has been impossible to reverse for all but a few large well-funded papers.

Local journalism has practically evaporated. It wasn’t really because Facebook stole the news. It was because Facebook stole their ad revenue, and the classified pages (a major revenue source for local journalism) have been swallowed by Craigslist and others.

Edit: the decade

Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google

#16

Towards the end of the post we find out why they want to block news links from Facebook and Google, they are setting up a competing platform. “That’s why we’re building Forth, a news-first platform that pays journalists for their work and offers the audience concise updates with context -- from the reporters they trust. All revenue generated on Forth is shared with our news partners. We only allow trusted and credibl…

Yeah. The premise of this article is just silly when the vast majority of news reports are covered by many many websites all vying for more traffic to their web properties.

Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google

#17
How does Google or Facebook differ from Reddit? Are the stories so short that the heading contains all relevant info the the full article?

>newsrooms have willingly handed over billions of dollars in ad revenue to the tech giants that threaten their very existence.

As in newspapers are buying ads? Why?

>is the Co-Founder of Forth Wait, so it's an ad for a new news platform? But where is it? How can I use this new platform?

Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google

#18

Towards the end of the post we find out why they want to block news links from Facebook and Google, they are setting up a competing platform. “That’s why we’re building Forth, a news-first platform that pays journalists for their work and offers the audience concise updates with context -- from the reporters they trust. All revenue generated on Forth is shared with our news partners. We only allow trusted and credibl…

Is there any news organization that has deliberately removed themselves from Google that you (or anyone else) know of? As you can de-index your site if this is a problem for you. I am just not aware of any organization that has done it.

Re: It’s time to remove news from Facebook and Google

#19

> For too long, journalists have given away their stories for free in exchange for distribution by the duopoly. The news industry does not "give" their stories to Facebook or Google. It allows the placement of links to the stories on those sites. (I use the term "allow" loosely, since in many jurisdictions they do not have the right to restrict in-linking.) The news industry is free to try to prevent in-linking. The…

Exactly. I have not done a formal study, but my guess would be that the majority of profit made by the "news" comes from rumormonging and trolling (with a few exceptions like the data-heavy WSJ). Now Facebook and the like are keeping that money instead.

I think we should #AbolishImaginaryProperyLaws and not reward the creation of non-sense by any of these actors.

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