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Sleep duration is associated with brain structure and cognitive performance

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Re: Sleep duration is associated with brain structure and cognitive performance

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The risk with an inconsistent waking time is shifting forward the circadian rhythm, if you sleep in later and later. When that occurs you'll fall asleep later as well, or wake up more often. A wind-down period ahead of bedtime can also offer some flexibility, if you happen to have enough sleep pressure to fall asleep earlier some nights.

I countered this by setting a go to sleep alarm. Alarm goes off, time to wind it up and head to bed. I do have a morning alarm (multiple of them) but I've been waking up before they go off.

Yeah I basically schedule time before bed. What people take for granted is that an increasingly fatigued state can also lead you to procrastinate on sleep, i.e. if you're tired and dicking around on electronics mindlessly, you'll just keep doing it and have trouble pulling yourself away. Whereas if I just read a book that's no trouble.

Re: Sleep duration is associated with brain structure and cognitive performance

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Interesting. I found after some trail and error that I'm more rested and perform better on less than recommended 8h of sleep. My sweet spot is somewhere around 7h. Fitbit "magic" sleep score also seems to confirm that (better sleep score on less sleep). I also found that stress is the biggest factor in getting good night sleep. When stressed I can sleep 8h and still feel bleh. I wonder if 8h of sleep is the cause of…

I've found that if I'm fully caught up on sleep, 7 hours is what I naturally sleep. However if I'm behind (slept less then 7 hours for multiple days) then I will sleep random amounts until I get back into a routine.

Re: Sleep duration is associated with brain structure and cognitive performance

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A few years ago, I stopped setting an alarm clock on a regular basis. Now, I just sleep as long as I need, which is usually 8-9h a day. I struggled with sleep for years, but now I sleep good.

The risk with an inconsistent waking time is shifting forward the circadian rhythm, if you sleep in later and later. When that occurs you'll fall asleep later as well, or wake up more often. A wind-down period ahead of bedtime can also offer some flexibility, if you happen to have enough sleep pressure to fall asleep earlier some nights.

Haha I think that might be happening with me... do you suppose melatonin for a few nights a month would be a good idea to keep it stable?

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This stresses me out because I’ve struggled with sleep for quite some time. Feels awful.

Try making it a habit(Cue, Routine, Reward). After 3 decades on earth, I finally feel like I have a decent sleeping habit. Two things that worked for me, having a consistent schedule and creating a cue/trigger associated with sleep.

I started wearing ear plugs and facemask to sleep. I started wearing it because my partner usually sleeps much later than me. First couple night took some adjusting, but after a week or two. I realized something. I started falling asleep almost immediately after putting on the ear plugs and facemask. That's when I made the realization I unintentionally created a habit with the ear plugs and facemask as the cue.

Re: Sleep duration is associated with brain structure and cognitive performance

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I'm bipolar so I've gone through periods where I sleep 18 hours a day and periods where I sleep 2 hours a night if at all. Caffeine intake doesn't seem to matter. Medication and good mental hygiene helps a lot with this issue.

Is ineffectiveness of caffeine a symptom / indicator of a mental difference? I, too, am not phased in the slightest by caffeine and have had sleep schedules vary, though not as large of a range... just curious

I'm not sure. I have learned in my treatments that stimulants the opposite effect on people with ADHD and calms them down. I don't suffer from that so I couldn't really say.

Re: Sleep duration is associated with brain structure and cognitive performance

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„Taken together, our results suggest that cognition and white matter integrity are not only affected by experimental sleep deprivation but are also associated with natural differences in habitual sleep duration.

The findings of the present study are in line with other studies, which showed that cognitive performance and white matter are associated with sleep duration.„

On the other hand, I often hear stories of top-performing founders who claim to get by on just four hours of sleep or less over longer periods of time. Yet, getting too little sleep on an ongoing basis can have a negative impact on health. A study conducted by researchers at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School and Stanford University, found that employees who slept for six hours or less per night were more likely to be sick, take more time off work and have higher rates of absenteeism than those who got seven to eight hours of shut-eye each night. When I sleep less than 8 hours, I have this sensation of less energy throughout the day, regardless of how much coffee I'm taking in.

One way to reduce the amount of time you are spending in bed not working is to develop a system for falling asleep faster. This is a skill that can be learned. The first step is to develop a routine for going to bed. This should include the same steps every night, such as brushing your teeth, washing your face, and reading a book. The routine should take about 20 minutes or less.

Next, you need to develop a pre-sleep ritual that will help you relax and fall asleep faster. This could include taking a warm bath or shower before bedtime, listening to soothing music, to relaxing nature sounds, or reading something relaxing like poetry or fiction, but not nonfiction because that‘s harder to process by your brain. It’s important not to do anything too stimulating before bedtime because this will make it harder for you to fall asleep. For example, and I'm not suggesting that anyone here is doing that very often, avoid watching movies with lots of action and violence in them because they can stimulate your mind and body too much at night when you are trying to sleep.

There are many techniques to fall asleep faster, thereby reducing the time you lie awake in bed.

- Use the bed only for sleep, being sick or making love. Don’t read, watch TV, or eat in bed.

- Avoid naps during the day. If you must nap, keep it short (no more than 20 minutes) and don’t nap too close to bedtime.

- Exercise regularly but not within 3 hours of your regular bedtime. Exercise can make you feel tired but also revs up your metabolism, which may interfere with falling asleep quickly.

- Avoid blue light around bedtime. It‘s a potent stimulator of the brain’s retinal ganglion cells, relaying visual information to the brain, which is like queuing up mountains of data for the GPU. It also suppresses melatonin production at night, which makes us feel more awake.

- Be mindful about the sonic ambience in your bedroom. Is there distracting patterned noise like someone snoring, outside traffic or people talking? Mask it by playing unpredictable audio that covers up much of the audible spectrum, at the lowest volume possible just so it masks those noises enough.

(new here, I hope this was a helpful contribution)

Re: Sleep duration is associated with brain structure and cognitive performance

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Don't get anxious. These kinds of studies are almost always overturned by another one within 12-24 months. Weak correlations are not worth worrying about.

True, other things like DNA and training have a much bigger effect.

Training?

Re: Sleep duration is associated with brain structure and cognitive performance

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I'm bipolar so I've gone through periods where I sleep 18 hours a day and periods where I sleep 2 hours a night if at all. Caffeine intake doesn't seem to matter. Medication and good mental hygiene helps a lot with this issue.

Lately my body seems to be waking me up after around 4.5 hours of sleep. I'm alert and well rested, but if I wake up I'll be tired in an hour or two. If I push myself to sleep more, I wake up around 7-8 hours feeling more tired, and I can easily sleep to 10 hours at that point. It's really frustrating, because there doesn't seem to be a perfect amount of sleep for me anymore.

I'm 45, Bipolar type II. Ever since trying intermittent fasting I'm extremely tired after meals, and my caffeine tolerance is way up. I always drank half a cup at most, now I need 2.5 a day just to function. I have sleep apnea, but it's well controlled with a CPAP(AHI<5). I feel like I need a couple month sabbatical to reset myself but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Re: Sleep duration is associated with brain structure and cognitive performance

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I have a very weird problem/issue, maybe someone can help. In my school days I used to maintain a dream diary, where I would note down every dream I had after waking up. I stopped doing that when I got into college, but dreams never stopped and I never stopped analysing and trying to remember the dreams. Fast forward to present time (10 years from school), whenever I want to wake up i.e. after 6-7 hours of sleep I ca…

Very interesting. I often wake up at night or early in the morning to go to bathroom, or take water. I found that the best way to go back to sleep after waking up is to think about the dream I just had. It seems like this 'forced' dream continuity is somehow sleep inducing. What may be happening to you is the same thing: your firs instinct is trying to remember your dream, as you trained yourself through years of dre…

> I found that the best way to go back to sleep after waking up is to think about the dream I just had. It seems like this 'forced' dream continuity is somehow sleep inducing.

That is what I do too. For me, it is the best way to fall sleep right away.

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