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Re: Little Things That Made Amiga Great

#41

Arexx ports for scripting IPC / automation, the standardized installer ( especially the "Pretend to install"), and datatypes (which sort of exist in Windows at MacOS, but aren't exactly the same thing either) are the three features I'd love to see in current OS's. All three would need buy-in from application developers, and since using them would tightly-couple applications to the host platform I can't imagine that a…

Oh, yes!

    Sys:> mount IMAP:
or the no-brainer Ram Disk.

Re: Little Things That Made Amiga Great

#42

One unique feature of the Amiga that I've not seen referenced here is that programs, scripts etc. could reference removable media by label and if the media was not in the drive when needed, a Kickstart-managed requester would pop up asking for it to be inserted promptly. This made it very easy to manage even a single-floppy-drive system. Linux could support this even now, as all the required pieces are there (e.g. au…

To be fair, this feature was more useful in the nineties than today :) And for the ones not familiar with Amiga jargon, a requester is what you would call a dialog box on other OSes...

Re: Little Things That Made Amiga Great

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post #11

I got really into computers in the mid-late 90s by which point we were mostly down to Wintel and Apple hanging on by a thread. What I remember from that era is that nothing was compatible with anything else. It took a lot of work to interoperate between two PCs, let alone cross the gap between OSes. So for a long time, I have kind of taken the current world of few OSes that are highly interoperable as being a great t…

Personally I prefer the plethora of OSes approach, and I never been a big UNIX fan to start with. Yes it does have a couple of nice ideas, and it was much better to use than Windows 3.x + MS-DOS, but that is about it. All the UNIX based OSes that I really appreciate, have moved beyond it, namely NeXTSTEP, Solaris/NeWS, Irix, Plan 9/Inferno. Thankfully only BSD and GNU/Linux are stuck into being a continuum of UNIX cl…

Looks like you missed the whole systemd and cgroups thing. The two are huge and novel developments in OS design, and much more significant than the GUI flimflam you pine for.

(Yeah, Linux is a server OS, not news.)

Re: Little Things That Made Amiga Great

#44
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I prefer the plethora of OSes approach, and I never been a big UNIX fan to start with. Yes it does have a couple of nice ideas, and it was much better to use than Windows 3.x + MS-DOS, but that is about it. All the UNIX based OSes that I really appreciate, have moved beyond it, namely NeXTSTEP, Solaris/NeWS, Irix, Plan 9/Inferno. Thankfully only BSD and GNU/Linux are stuck into being a continuum of UNIX cl…

Looks like you missed the whole systemd and cgroups thing. The two are huge and novel developments in OS design, and much more significant than the GUI flimflam you pine for. (Yeah, Linux is a server OS, not news.)

Systemd is nothing new, Linux copying comercial UNIXes and Windows/VMS, with the community dumping hate left and right on the authors.

cgroups has been a thing on mainframes for decades.

Re: Little Things That Made Amiga Great

#45

I got really into computers in the mid-late 90s by which point we were mostly down to Wintel and Apple hanging on by a thread. What I remember from that era is that nothing was compatible with anything else. It took a lot of work to interoperate between two PCs, let alone cross the gap between OSes. So for a long time, I have kind of taken the current world of few OSes that are highly interoperable as being a great t…

Prior to the iPhone we were “standardized” on resistive touch screens, which sucked compared to the iPhone’s capacitive screen. Not because a stylus was a good way to use a portable device, and not because capacitive touch screen technology was unknown - it was invented long ago. It’s because of cost. You’re just conflating standardization with cost cutting.

If there was a cheap and easy to install OS in that era they’d all use it. Oh wait that was DOS & Windows, that was the whole point, that’s what happened, it was adopted because 999/1,000 vendors are interested in cost cutting not innovation.

It’s hard to celebrate cost cutters. History never celebrates the crummy cost cutters. I feel no nostalgia for that.

Re: Little Things That Made Amiga Great

#46

Was Amiga ever big in the United States? I had this realization the other day (which might be completely wrong) but it feels like US computing industry is a lot more business focused than the European computing industry. E.g. most DAWs are built by European companies (Ableton, Logic (before Apple acquisition), FL Studio, Reason, Bitwig). Same goes for the demo scene. The demo scene was really big in Europe, but it fe…

Yeah that is my impression too. Always got the impression that PCs, Macs and Nintendo was bigger in the US.

Growing up in Norway in the 80s I remember the Commodore 64 and Amiga really dominated the home computer scene. We used to read computer magazines from Sweden, so it must have been big there too.

Pretty much nobody used Macs. Schools used a home grown Norwegian computer system called Tiki, with these odd keyboards with round orange keys.

I had the impression that Macs where much more prevalent in the US due to school usage. My American wife has fond memories of playing Nintendo games as a kid. But for me it was all about Amiga.

It was really sad that it died. It was a really enabling system. I compare to people who used Nintendo and we learned so much more. I learned to do Basic programming on the Amiga. There was even this Game making Basic called AMOS which as really ahead of its time.

Using Deluxe Paint to draw was amazing. I learned so much about colors and shading from that. Then there was Assembly programming which was actually kind of nice on the Amiga.

But before all that I remember making things like bootable disks with menus where you could select preferred program.

Re: Little Things That Made Amiga Great

#47
After Switching from Amiga to PC, I missed the RAM disk for a long time for some reason. It has been so long ago now that I cannot remember my workflows that well anymore. But I seem to remember that the RAM disk was a really natural part of my workflow.

I also remember how us Amiga users got really used to that you could set the layering of Windows specifically.

Re: Little Things That Made Amiga Great

#48
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO Unix hasn't taken over as much as people think it has. If you look at an OS more closely they typically have a POSIX API layer on top of whatever unique ideas they have. Even Linux does quite a lot of its own thing.

People don't know or underestimate how much Unix has taken over. From cellphones to super computers. From consumer devices to industrial control. Unix servers made and continue to run the internet, aka everything.

POSIX more than anything, many of those IoT OSes aren't anything UNIX related although they support some form of POSIX.

Re: Little Things That Made Amiga Great

#49
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like you missed the whole systemd and cgroups thing. The two are huge and novel developments in OS design, and much more significant than the GUI flimflam you pine for. (Yeah, Linux is a server OS, not news.)

Systemd is nothing new, Linux copying comercial UNIXes and Windows/VMS, with the community dumping hate left and right on the authors. cgroups has been a thing on mainframes for decades.

SystemD is like Solaris service manager, but far worse.

And, on cgroups, I think AIX has something like that but much, much, MUCH better.

Re: Little Things That Made Amiga Great

#50
post #6

I very badly wanted an Amiga as a kid, primarily for the Video Toaster which included Lightwave. It was out of reach financially, but also on its way out with the Commodore corporate problems. My parents drove me to B&H Photo in Manhattan to take a look at one, but they were pretty honest about it being near the end of the line for Amiga, sadly. The closest I got was a subscription to Amiga World and a NewTek magazin…

It is pretty crazy to think that Babylon 5 had better special effects than TNG (in my opinion) and did it for cheap on the Amiga compared to Industrial Lights and Magic that TNG used.

You might want to go watch that stuff again before you make your mind up.

It is still impressive however that some of these amiga + lightwave effects were done with 12MB of RAM.

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