Greenwald and Snowden discuss this issue 3 days ago re valley companies having intelligence contracts and opening themselves up to pressure:
YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”
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#32It would be helpful for people who have previously come out against cancel culture and deplatforming to defend the principle for someone who is not a member of their political tribe. Independent of the content of the video and who it happened to offend, the deceptive practice of shadow banning is reprehensible.
Tar-pitting spammers is one thing, deceiving creators, especially ones who are politically engaged as to the impact of their work discredits the legitimacy of the platforms, and the agencies. Are the government agencies "persons," deserving protection in this case?
A major part of the problem is the language platforms use in their alerts, which is patronizing, gaslighting, and from what I have read in posts like these, basically enraging (which is what their business does best, so no surprises there).
If platforms would use language that made it clear they owned their role as referees it would go a lot more smoothly, and mitigate the effects of this "for your own good," deception bit. Of course I see it as the effect of platform employees who culturally reject the idea of binding principles in favour of exercising arbitrary power, but if that's not going to change, they can't reasonably complain about explosive reactions to their "dynamic choices" either.
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#33The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…
I’m upvoting your comment. I hope I don’t get a visit from the secret police.
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#34What exactly happens when Youtube shadowbans a video? The creator believes it's accessible, but no one else can access it?
Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”
#35The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…
But I think it's "anti-American" to deliberately editorialize and misrepresent the police as illegally violent and biased, when the facts are otherwise:
- black people kill black people far more than police or white people kill black people, but the dominant story about it is, police violence is at fault
- police have to deal with 1000s of violent encounters with unstable and dangerous individuals every week, and aside from security guards, they're the only officers in civilian society authorized to use physical force, and each year dozens of uniformed officers are killed[0] and thousands are violently assaulted[1], but again, the dominant propaganda is the fake story about the "plague of police violence" against "poor innocent victims"
If some officers murdered people, and that's enough to produce this persistent propaganda about "police brutality", then the dozens of murders and thousands of assaults by people against police should be enough to create a greater story about "anti-police brutality" -- but it's not. The "police brutality" narrative is a lie that's trying to be born as truth through endless repetition, spread by corrupt and irresponsible media. It's obviously propaganda and a divisive tactic, but people lap it up. It's very, very sad, that it is used as an outlet for people, who twistedly see it as a way to vent their unrelated frustrations, with someone to incorrectly blame, a "cause" to disguise their anger about their other problems. The same tactics are used to recruit and radicalize terrorists.
One of the saddest thing's about these myths is how they are being used to whip up anti police sentiment, which funnels into anti police violence, which results in really bad outcomes for the perpetrators, who probably were otherwise OK people, but got deluded by this propaganda into making mistakes that ruined their lives, and the lives of others.
But, go on, keep spreading this delusion and apologizing for violence against police, like idiots, manipulated by forces you don't understand.
[0]: https://crime-data-explorer.fr.cloud.gov/officers/national/u...
[1]: https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2019/topic-pages/officers-assaulte...
Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”
#36The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…
Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?
Practically speaking the US was founded because a political elite minority, concentrated in certain geographic regions, pushed war on a mostly indifferent population.
Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”
#37The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…
But I think it's "anti-American" to deliberately editorialize and misrepresent the police as illegally violent and biased, when the facts are otherwise: - black people kill black people far more than police or white people kill black people, but the dominant story about it is, police violence is at fault - police have to deal with 1000s of violent encounters with unstable and dangerous individuals every week, and asi…
Yikes, welcome to hacker news?
Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”
#38The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…
But I think it's "anti-American" to deliberately editorialize and misrepresent the police as illegally violent and biased, when the facts are otherwise: - black people kill black people far more than police or white people kill black people, but the dominant story about it is, police violence is at fault - police have to deal with 1000s of violent encounters with unstable and dangerous individuals every week, and asi…
"Illegally violent" police isn't meaningful. They're legally violent; that's the problem.
Take your racism elsewhere, please. You're regurgitating state propaganda for no conversational benefit.
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#39Speaking as a lurker, this seems basically like what people have been asking for for awhile now including here. I remember seeing numerous top comment chains over the last four years (and of course before that but not here) that all boiled down to very eloquent defenses of censoring fringe thinkers. Who knows, maybe in theory land there's no reason we can't have it both ways. But it seems to me that in the real world…
It s as if we rediscover liberalism in full circles
Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”
#40The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…
But I think it's "anti-American" to deliberately editorialize and misrepresent the police as illegally violent and biased, when the facts are otherwise: - black people kill black people far more than police or white people kill black people, but the dominant story about it is, police violence is at fault - police have to deal with 1000s of violent encounters with unstable and dangerous individuals every week, and asi…
"why isn't there as much outrage over the few dozen police killed every year as there is over the nearly 2k people killed by police?"
There are roughly 20k violent deaths in the US every year. Almost 10% of those are police related. That's completely unacceptable to me, having looked at the actual numbers.
https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/06/65309/ has the underlying sources and analysis here.