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Re: Please disable JavaScript to view this site

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Post by fastball »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #123
fastball wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue that wild histrionics as you have just demonstrated are worse than whatever this is (which certainly does not infringe on anyone's liberty).

It infringes my liberty to browse with JavaScript enabled. Further, when the argument is lost, ad hominem becomes the tool of the loser.

You don’t have a right to browse someone else’s content.

Calling out your histrionics for what they are is not ad hominem. I’m attacking your statement, not your person.

Further, that’s not some sort of axiomatic law, that’s just a phrase. Even if it was, losers using ad hominem doesn’t mean winners don’t, that’s not how logic works.

Re: Please disable JavaScript to view this site

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Post by jachee »

kordlessagain wrote: post #179
matheusmoreira wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand the disable JS movement Javascript is a privacy and security nightmare. It's almost equivalent to downloading and silently executing untrusted code on your machine. I say "almost" because Javascript code is virtualized and sandboxed. Though I have no doubt people have already discovered vulnerabilities that enable code to break out of the sandbox.

> Javascript is a privacy and security nightmare. AFAIK, JavaScript the language has neither privacy nor security issues of "nightmare" level. > It's almost equivalent to downloading and silently executing untrusted code on your machine. No it's not. The code is run in a VM, which is run in a browser. So, the code is limited in doing things to the browser, which itself is limited in what it can do to your computer (f…

My understanding is that JavaScript is the primary mechanism used in browser fingerprinting and cross-site user tracking/"analytics". Isn't that a rather large privacy and (personal, if not specifically "cyber") security risk?

Re: Please disable JavaScript to view this site

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Post by ciarannolan »

astura wrote: post #162
ciarannolan wrote: post #121

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There's an ad for Geico insurance at the bottom, lol. What's the deal with that?

Geico is a BH company. https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/subs/sublinks.html

Right, still a little odd to have...

> FOR A FREE CAR INSURANCE RATE QUOTE THAT COULD SAVE YOU SUBSTANTIAL MONEY WWW.GEICO.COM OR CALL 1-888-395-6349, 24 HOURS A DAY

...on the homepage of a quarter-trillion dollar company, with no other ads.

Re: Please disable JavaScript to view this site

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Post by bigbubba »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #123
fastball wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue that wild histrionics as you have just demonstrated are worse than whatever this is (which certainly does not infringe on anyone's liberty).

It infringes my liberty to browse with JavaScript enabled. Further, when the argument is lost, ad hominem becomes the tool of the loser.

He may have insulted you, but not all insults constitute logical fallacies.

Ad hominem: You're wrong because you're an idiot.

Just an insult: You're an idiot because you're wrong.

Furthermore, concluding that somebody is wrong because they used a logical fallacy is itself a logical fallacy. If I said "2+2=4 because you're an idiot" my reasoning would be fallacious, but to conclude that the answer must therefore not be four is also fallacious.

Re: Please disable JavaScript to view this site

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Post by usr1106 »

h_anna_h wrote: post #111
userbinator wrote: post #67

As someone who has JS off by default for a long time (ever since I discovered how much it could remove annoyances, and this was back when SPAs were basically nonexistent) and is thus often subjected to "Please enable JS" messages which more likely than not will simply make me click the back button[1], I am delighted to see this exists --- I've thought of the idea before, but never did anything with it: https://news.y…

As someone who has JS off by default (via uMatrix) I see a blank page.

Does uMatrix still exist (maintained)? I remember reading it is being discontinued.

(I occasionally used it for curiosity, but found it too tedious in the long term. I have settled on CookieAutoDelete, which seem to address most tracking. Not many seem to run a completely server based fingerprint database.)

Re: Please disable JavaScript to view this site

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Post by mcovalt »

tempestn wrote: post #124

I must say, I don't understand the disable JS movement. I browse with JS on, and uBlock Origin to block ads. It's rare that I have any javascript-related problems in my web browsing. On the other hand, I definitely use a number of sites that rely on javascript for useful purposes. If you're worried about tracking, you can block ads and tracking scripts without disabling javascript. If you're worried about viruses, we…

Developers have been reimplementing W3C specs in Javascript. Forms don't work, password managers have no idea what's going on, back buttons are hijacked, and sometimes even scrolling is thought to be better handled by a 4MB JavaScript file than by the browser.

Re: Please disable JavaScript to view this site

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Post by pugworthy »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #167
tempestn wrote: post #124

I must say, I don't understand the disable JS movement. I browse with JS on, and uBlock Origin to block ads. It's rare that I have any javascript-related problems in my web browsing. On the other hand, I definitely use a number of sites that rely on javascript for useful purposes. If you're worried about tracking, you can block ads and tracking scripts without disabling javascript. If you're worried about viruses, we…

On a great many web sites I have to spend the first 60 seconds on the site clicking on "X" boxes in popups to make them go away. In many cases there are actually several layers of popups obscuring the content, and some are delayed so they only pop up after you start reading the content. No I do not want to subscribe to your mailing list. No I don't want to take your survey. No I do not want to "chat" with your bot-pr…

I personally visit "a great many websites" daily, and rarely have this problem. Maybe it's uBlock doing it's job, or maybe it's the kind of site you go to?

Re: Please disable JavaScript to view this site

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Post by pugworthy »

teknopurge wrote: post #6
aftbit wrote: post #3

But there's nothing on this site once you do disable JavaScript. I was hoping for a 2020 take on a server-side rendered web app.

I see what you did there.... In other news, possibly the best designed website of 2020: http://www.muskfoundation.org/

The crazy thing is, it's been like that for YEARS.

Re: Please disable JavaScript to view this site

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Post by spc476 »

tyingq wrote: post #106
drusepth wrote: post #105

Anyone have a screenshot or mirror of the page with Javascript already disabled?

Sure: https://imgur.com/a/xm2YX36

Thanks. I'm using the latest Firefox, and for some reason, this Javascriptless site isn't working at all because I can't see anything.

Re: Please disable JavaScript to view this site

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Post by square_usual »

judge2020 wrote: post #177
movedx wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://brave.com/

In case the OP wanted to know exactly how Brave's adblock is different from uBlock Origin instead of a link to the marketing page with links to other things like cryptocurrencies: Brave's browser claims a speedup over AdBlock plus, but was inspired by UBO, so the performance is fairly similar, but is baked into the browser instead of being an extension. > We therefore rebuilt our ad-blocker taking inspiration from uB…

It's also written in Rust for performance.
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