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New bike chain claims to be faster, more durable

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Re: New bike chain claims to be faster, more durable

#11
I really don't get it: what power are they claiming to be transferring on the side of the tooth that isn't engaging with a roller chain?

Also note that this is only for track bikes with a perfectly straight chainline (technically speaking it would also work for internal gear hubs wish are increasingly driven by belts in the upper price range). The shifting chain that is deployed diagonally more often than straight is an entirely different beast, in theory much worse in efficiency and durability. Pretty much all practical durability limits stem from compromises done for that diagonal capability for sitting. Which basically goes ruthlessly against all mechanical engineering rules, like the old adage about how bumblebees were supposedly unable to fly. Yet even they work quite well, given that challenging background they work just awesome and track chains already work better than that.

Re: New bike chain claims to be faster, more durable

#12
post #7

As a guy who ignored the chain on his first bike with XTR gears and had to replace whole drivetrain - yep, I would buy this chain. No question asked, as long as they guarantee me that it wont be stretched.

Just accept that chains are the consumable #1 for a bike and be happy. Shimano chains are absurdly cheap anyways.

Re: New bike chain claims to be faster, more durable

#13
post #3

How does it compare with the rohloff system? Anyways it seems to be significantly more expensive thus I don't think it will become widespread.

I sure hope it's cheaper than the Rohloff hub, I can't imagine anyone buying these if they are very expensive. I thought I had read that chains and sprockets were pretty efficeint in terms of energy loss.

It's the chain not the internal hub. Rohloff can use either a chain or a belt drive. The belt drive is cheap, and works with other internal hubs (sealed planetary gear system), which are much cheaper (e.g. Shimano, others make them).

Re: New bike chain claims to be faster, more durable

#14

How does it compare with the rohloff system? Anyways it seems to be significantly more expensive thus I don't think it will become widespread.

This is a chain system, to transfer power from the bottom bracket to the wheel. AFAIK, Rohloff is gear system built inside a wheel hub. How would one compare those?

Re: New bike chain claims to be faster, more durable

#15
Reading through there is something very noticeably absent: any claims of increased efficiency.

If you spread pressure out offer wider areas, you don’t get less overall friction at least in the first order approximation of friction you find in first year physics.

What it looks like is an attempt to make something better that improves metrics which aren’t necessarily coupled to better overall performance.

Re: New bike chain claims to be faster, more durable

#17
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sure hope it's cheaper than the Rohloff hub, I can't imagine anyone buying these if they are very expensive. I thought I had read that chains and sprockets were pretty efficeint in terms of energy loss.

Apparently well adjusted modern gear can be 98% efficient.

That is mentioned in the article:

> All of that is working, too, with independent tests showing properly race-prepped drivetrains to be as much as 98% efficient.

> That elusive 2%

> As good as chain optimization has become, there comes a point where there’s no more optimizing left to do, and there are no other options but to rethink the system.

Though, not as in any modern drivetrain but high-end competition drivetrains. At least I imagine it would be with really expensive solutions like Ceramic Speed bearings everywhere.

Re: New bike chain claims to be faster, more durable

#18
post #9

Great chain, but the Gates Carbon Drive is likely a superior technology. Europe has largely adopted it, but it is rare in the states. I have a Riese & Müller bike with a Gates Carbon Drive and it is absolutely lovely. Silent, but best of all, no grease on my pants or hands, ever. They handle dirt and dust super well (just dry off and wipe down with a cloth/no gears get jammed with a sealed planetary gear system). It…

The advantage here is that the chain could be made backwards-compatible with existing conventional drivetrains. The Gates drive can't be retrofitted onto older frames.

Re: New bike chain claims to be faster, more durable

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Reading through there is something very noticeably absent: any claims of increased efficiency. If you spread pressure out offer wider areas, you don’t get less overall friction at least in the first order approximation of friction you find in first year physics. What it looks like is an attempt to make something better that improves metrics which aren’t necessarily coupled to better overall performance.

Given a conventional chain can be up to 98% efficient then the maximum increase in efficiency is 1/.98 - 1 = 2.04%

Re: New bike chain claims to be faster, more durable

#20

Reading through there is something very noticeably absent: any claims of increased efficiency. If you spread pressure out offer wider areas, you don’t get less overall friction at least in the first order approximation of friction you find in first year physics. What it looks like is an attempt to make something better that improves metrics which aren’t necessarily coupled to better overall performance.

First paragraph of the article:

  UK company New Motion Labs has introduced a completely different design that not only promises *better efficiency*, but also decreased wear throughout the entire drivetrain, and all without the need for laborious cleaning and lubrication procedures.
The article also puts an upper bound on its claim of 2% since conventional chains are already 98% efficient.

It will require new chainrings and cassettes (probably RD rollers as well).

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