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McKinsey Proposed Paying Pharmacy Companies Rebates for OxyContin Overdoses

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It's absolutely infuriating that no one is being prosecuted over this. Meanwhile, Kalief Browder was jailed without trial for three years — for allegedly stealing a backpack. We truly do have two justice systems.

Punished for what? Illegally promoting an addictive opioid? Purdue is being prosecuted.

Or do you mean prosecuted for coming up with an idea that is in poor taste but was never actually implemented?

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I've at this point had (at least) eight friends die from opioid overdoses in the past ~10 years. I myself was nearly one of them a long time ago. It's really disappointing to see this bullshit.

Are they overdosing from Oxycotin or street drugs laced with fentanyl?

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Seriously, they have taken a real nose dive. I wonder if they still have MBAs competing for their jobs or if this has taken out the top level talent (and shipped it over to SV)

Top level talent never joined consulting in the first place. Wall St is considered by most a more desirable and prestigious career path. It's also usually more lucrative. Traders and investment bankers especially consider consultants to be major losers (including me).

Top-level talent never did either of the miserable jobs of mgmt consulting or ibanking. They can make as much (or more) doing something more enjoyable with fewer hours and a better culture.

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Well I mean that pretty sincerely. I think people find it fun to be outraged. I don't think people genuinely care enough to learn who the involved parties are, and make a sincere proposal on what went wrong.

Honestly, I have no idea why you would think that, or why you would expect "why don't you come up with a proposal?" to be met with anything other than incredulous fury. People come up with proposals on how to fix the system all of the time . If you haven't heard of them, that's due to a gap in your reading, not because proposals don't exist. The issue comes down to actually getting people in power who want to make th…

So then do you have the name of who in particular should be jailed for this opioid epidemic?

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Honestly, I have no idea why you would think that, or why you would expect "why don't you come up with a proposal?" to be met with anything other than incredulous fury. People come up with proposals on how to fix the system all of the time . If you haven't heard of them, that's due to a gap in your reading, not because proposals don't exist. The issue comes down to actually getting people in power who want to make th…

So then do you have the name of who in particular should be jailed for this opioid epidemic?

Richard Sackler, for starters. He's the former chairman of Purdue Pharmaceuticals, and investigative journalists have uncovered a boat load of paperwork showing that he personally pushed for marketing tactics that would result in addiction and death. The sudden exit of the entire Sackler family from the board and executive positions in 2018 reeks of wrongdoing too, especially since reports indicate that Richard continued to call the shots after resigning. Given that Purdue Pharma recently pleaded guilty to criminal charges, I suspect that various proprietorial offices should have enough evidence to get a subpoena of his personal records.

But again, tons of people have researched this stuff. The problem is that I cannot personally bring a criminal charge against Richard Sackler. Which is why your "people just want to be mad on the internet" attitude is extremely obnoxious. The problem isn't that what needs to be done in these cases isn't known, the problem is that the people who have the power continue to do what we don't want them to do.

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~10 years ago I was visiting the Bay Area (I live in EU), and developed knee pain (rather strong). I went to the emergency room in a city hospital, and long story short, I was given a prescription for paracetamol or ibuprofen and something called Norco, which is apparently some kind of opioid. In the pharmacy (CVS i think), the pharmacist was calling somewhere to confirm the prescription and my identity and was tryin…

You went to the ER for knee pain? Urgent clinic would have been easier and cheaper.

Could be, though it was ~2010 - so internet information wasn't that good and it was a late hour, 9pm or so - I was looking for an open at that hour orthopedician IIRC, and I barely walked and thinked.

Relevant anecdote - my friend here in Switzerland developed a kidney stone (resulting in an "interesting level of pain" according to him) and went to ER b/c also a late hour. He was actually given some opioid, but he had to take it directly in the hospital (strictly controlled substance I guess), and the doctor told him jokingly that he should be happy, because the amount of people who are prescribed heroin-derivative drugs in Switzerland are very very small.

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You say "doing research, thinking about it, and bothering to come up with a proposal" as if the only obstacle is that no one has figured out how to bring these people to justice. That's not what's happening here. These are people who use their immense power and resources to warp our bureaucracy to protect and enrich themselves. They don't face real consequences because the system is designed to shield them from accou…

>>> They don't face real consequences Who's they? It's so easy to hand-wave about "them" and "the system," but I don't see how you're helping people unless you're helping to make concrete proposals or helping to identify specific policies by specific people that need to be punished and/or prevented in the future.

the board and corporate governance of companies should be held criminally liable for actions they oversee. You can get locked up for life under the kingpin act. Let's make that applicable here.

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So then do you have the name of who in particular should be jailed for this opioid epidemic?

Richard Sackler, for starters. He's the former chairman of Purdue Pharmaceuticals, and investigative journalists have uncovered a boat load of paperwork showing that he personally pushed for marketing tactics that would result in addiction and death. The sudden exit of the entire Sackler family from the board and executive positions in 2018 reeks of wrongdoing too, especially since reports indicate that Richard conti…

Well personally I've never heard of Richard Sackler before, but that's exactly what I was asking for.

>> the problem is that the people who have the power continue to do what we don't want them to do.

If an outraged public has clear alignment on what needs to happen, a lot of times this can force the hand of government.

On the other hand, being unspecifically frustrated isn't enough. A lot of issues are very complex (e.g. bailout), and culpability is spread thin, and laws are limiting. If there isn't alignment on the facts, then some irrelevant figure will be scapegoated to sate the public anger.

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