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McKinsey Proposed Paying Pharmacy Companies Rebates for OxyContin Overdoses

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Re: McKinsey Proposed Paying Pharmacy Companies Rebates for OxyContin Overdoses

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Post by ashtonkem »

zug_zug wrote: post #37
jakelazaroff wrote: post #16

It's absolutely infuriating that no one is being prosecuted over this. Meanwhile, Kalief Browder was jailed without trial for three years — for allegedly stealing a backpack. We truly do have two justice systems.

I think it's pretty easy to act outraged and say "somebody should be punished," and most people I know, and most politicians, do. As for actually doing research, thinking about it, and bothering up to come up with a proposal... I guess nobody actually cares THAT much.

> As for actually doing research, thinking about it, and bothering up to come up with a proposal... I guess nobody actually cares THAT much.

Spare us the snark, it's not helpful. You should know that one cannot just draw up a proposal to bring criminal charges; only a very small number of people have the legal authority and resources to do that.

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Post by spanktheuser »

xoxoy wrote: post #12
MattGaiser wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am guessing that it was meant as legal/political/social cover? Hazard pay for the potential litigation they might face? CVS put some limits on opioid prescriptions: https://www.statnews.com/2017/09/21/cvs-opioid-prescription-...

isn’t CVS just doing whatever the doctor is prescribing without any judgement? i don’t see how CVS would be liable here unless they failed to verify the authenticity of a prescription or something on purpose.

Whenever someone says “liable” I know they’ve stopped arguing about justice and begun arguing about proper application of laws lobbyists purchased from Congress.

Re: McKinsey Proposed Paying Pharmacy Companies Rebates for OxyContin Overdoses

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Post by zug_zug »

marcinzm wrote: post #45
zug_zug wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's pretty easy to act outraged and say "somebody should be punished," and most people I know, and most politicians, do. As for actually doing research, thinking about it, and bothering up to come up with a proposal... I guess nobody actually cares THAT much.

A justice system that applies equally to everyone should not require immense effort from private unrelated individuals to do it's job.

I'd like to live in that world too, but since we don't I think it's reasonable to ask for suggestions that apply to the world we DO live in.

Re: McKinsey Proposed Paying Pharmacy Companies Rebates for OxyContin Overdoses

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Post by spanktheuser »

troughway wrote: post #49
spanktheuser wrote: post #26

Moral absolutism has been out of vogue for 50 years, but I encourage everyone to give it a spin. It’s provides such wonderful moral clarity and said clarity is surprisingly effective at rooting out the sort of poisonous people who ruin friendships, companies and societies. I’ve dealt with numerous McKinsey consultants over a 30 year career. I’ve collected enough data points to feel safe in concluding the following: •…

While I would love to endorse these comments they come across as pretentious posturing, no more than a 4chan LARP session. None of what you just said is going to happen.

Not for you it isn’t.

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Post by throwaway201103 »

And with all of this, many people seem ready to accept without hesitation a COVID-19 vaccine developed, tested, packaged and distributed at "warp speed", by huge pharmaceutical companies that have been granted immunity from liability.

Re: McKinsey Proposed Paying Pharmacy Companies Rebates for OxyContin Overdoses

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Post by Spooky23 »

xoxoy wrote: post #32
Spooky23 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CVS can choose to set metrics and implement systems to discourage noticing that one person is pulling multiple scripts, for example. Also remember that CVS is basically a monopoly wholesaler as well as a retailer — so they can play games at that level as well like stuffing the channel to favor the manufacturer that pays them more on the backend. Railroad trusts and standard oil did the same thing in the 1900s. This i…

yeah I guess the wording of the story is confusing. I think it’s less “here’s a reward for literally killing people” and more “here’s a little something to soften the blow of an OD so that you continue to fill Oxycotin without judgement or heavy restrictions”

There’s no blow to soften. It’s a bribe.

“Your pharmacists get paid $150k to count pills and assess risk. They failed to assess risk, here’s a bonus for continuing to hire people who don’t do their job.”

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Post by rdiddly »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #16

It's absolutely infuriating that no one is being prosecuted over this. Meanwhile, Kalief Browder was jailed without trial for three years — for allegedly stealing a backpack. We truly do have two justice systems.

And George Floyd got the death penalty. Seems like if someone makes $46 million (arbitrary figure) from something as shitty as this, they ought to lose $46 million, either by paying back $46M, or by losing something that's worth $46M to them. A leg? A child? Hey offer them some choices.

Getting a bit Saudi-Arabia-ish here, but seems like the law would look, if not like this, then more like this, if it weren't written by the guy who made the $46 million.

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Post by Spooky23 »

spanktheuser wrote: post #48
xoxoy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah I guess the wording of the story is confusing. I think it’s less “here’s a reward for literally killing people” and more “here’s a little something to soften the blow of an OD so that you continue to fill Oxycotin without judgement or heavy restrictions”

I love your phrasing... “soften the blow.” I’m trying to imagine this 45 year old CVS VP of Product stuffing the channel with opiates & hiding the analytics on one hand. And on the other hand feeling real bad somebody somewhere ODed. These emotions - they belong to two very different people. Who don’t like each other at all.

Come on man, the poor bastard needs to make the payments on his wife’s X5. Have a little compassion.

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Post by troughway »

newbie789 wrote: post #55

I've at this point had (at least) eight friends die from opioid overdoses in the past ~10 years. I myself was nearly one of them a long time ago. It's really disappointing to see this bullshit.

Forgive me for sounding daft. I feel reluctant taking one Tylenol pill nevermind anything close to this - how exactly have you had at least eight friends die? Was it accidental? Uncontrolled dosage? Suicide? Do you forget that you had taken it already?

I keep hearing about the opioid deaths and the crisis but what exactly happens that these people overdose on it?

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