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Greg LeMond’s New 26 LB. Carbon Fiber Ebike

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Re: Greg LeMond’s New 26 LB. Carbon Fiber Ebike

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Coming from conventional bikes, I don't understand who this is for. Carbon fibre frames are prohibitively expensive and the market for them serves very involved, often professional or semi-pro cyclists whose performance bottlenecks are imposed by the bike instead of themselves. Ditto for some of the other details on the bike, like the medium-dish carbon rims — all for the sake of weight savings and aerodynamics (sinc…

It's a lighter ebike than other ebikes, what's hard to understand about that? It's not to be compared to regular bikes, but other ebikes, because the property of being an ebike is the primary purpose, and anything is auxiliary. In this case, commuters want lightness in their bike so that they need to carry less and the bike range is higher (F = ma, where one wants to reduce mass).

Re: Greg LeMond’s New 26 LB. Carbon Fiber Ebike

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Coming from conventional bikes, I don't understand who this is for. Carbon fibre frames are prohibitively expensive and the market for them serves very involved, often professional or semi-pro cyclists whose performance bottlenecks are imposed by the bike instead of themselves. Ditto for some of the other details on the bike, like the medium-dish carbon rims — all for the sake of weight savings and aerodynamics (sinc…

Do you know how many people commute to work in a Porsche 911? Same crowd.

Re: Greg LeMond’s New 26 LB. Carbon Fiber Ebike

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>spending a little time understanding and implementing aerodynamically efficient body posture You might be interested in what we're up to [0], get in touch if it interests you. [0] https://bodyrocket.cc

I don't understand why you need to measure anything but instantaneous crank torque, speed, and (for completeness) pitch angle. Integrating power in vs acceleration out, the difference is loss. What am I missing? Does bad posture waste energy before it reaches the crank?

Depends if you want to answer “what” or “why”.

Re: Greg LeMond’s New 26 LB. Carbon Fiber Ebike

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> whose performance bottlenecks are imposed by the bike instead of themselves I'm a fluid dynamics researcher, and I'll tell you the money these people spend on "aero" and "weight saving" and "higher drivetrain efficiency" stuff is 99.9% snake oil. Unless you are among the top 1000 road bike racers in the world. Increasing your exercise load by half an hour per week, or spending a little time understanding and implem…

> I'm a fluid dynamics researcher, and I'll tell you the money these people spend on "aero" and "weight saving" and "higher drivetrain efficiency" stuff is 99.9% snake oil. Unless you are among the top 1000 road bike racers in the world. So, biking audiophilia.

At least weight saving is easily measurable and indisputable. Audiophilia focuses mostly on areas that are not so easily quantifiable.

Re: Greg LeMond’s New 26 LB. Carbon Fiber Ebike

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I think you’re missing his point. He wasn’t saying e-bikes were bad or pointless, he was saying that the design decisions made around this bike don’t make sense for an e-bike commuter or a performance racer or basically anyone. I’m similarly confused.

I think you and op are missing the point though. This is a light weight ebike! Obviously it's not as light weight as a professional bike (or like any without a battery), but this cuts weight everywhere it can and still has a 45 mile range (plus an extended battery you can add on to extend the range). On top of that people are already spending thousands of dollars on ebikes- this really isn't that much more expensive…

Look have a carbon ebike that's fairly close: E-765[1]. It looks more like a traditional road bike in geometry and handlebars. 29 lb, ~53 mile range. Removable battery.

[1]: https://www.lookcycle.com/us-en/products/bikes/e-bike/road/e...

Re: Greg LeMond’s New 26 LB. Carbon Fiber Ebike

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Probably his son Geoff.

Truth Cullen ;-)

Please tell your Dad I saw the 30 on 30 on him called "Slaying the badger". It's the most fantastic testament to his grit and achievements. If he's ever in SF, I would happily buy him coffee / beer :)

Re: Greg LeMond’s New 26 LB. Carbon Fiber Ebike

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Coming from conventional bikes, I don't understand who this is for. Carbon fibre frames are prohibitively expensive and the market for them serves very involved, often professional or semi-pro cyclists whose performance bottlenecks are imposed by the bike instead of themselves. Ditto for some of the other details on the bike, like the medium-dish carbon rims — all for the sake of weight savings and aerodynamics (sinc…

> whose performance bottlenecks are imposed by the bike instead of themselves I'm a fluid dynamics researcher, and I'll tell you the money these people spend on "aero" and "weight saving" and "higher drivetrain efficiency" stuff is 99.9% snake oil. Unless you are among the top 1000 road bike racers in the world. Increasing your exercise load by half an hour per week, or spending a little time understanding and implem…

I'm an engineer and a biker. If you only look at the numbers or try to run simplistic calculations, it's easy to think that bikers are just deluding themselves.

But there's more to it than just numbers on paper, and there's more to biking than just riding in a straight line from point A to point B. Carbon fiber frames aren't just about saving weight. The Carbon Fiber has different flexibility and damping properties that result in a different feel, for example.

My engineer friends make fun of me for spending $1K on a set of carbon fiber wheels, until I let them ride the bike. It only takes a few pedal strokes to feel how the reduced rotational inertia translates to faster acceleration. The advantages are even more significant when jumping or throwing the bike around, because the bike's moment of inertia is reduced significantly.

Carbon fiber handlebars don't save much weight, but the damping properties make for a minor reduction in fatigue. Carbon fiber Derailleur arms will again only save a few grams, but they're more likely to spring back from impacts than metal pieces that will simply bend. More expensive shifters have better bearings and cables that make for more precise shifts, meaning less fiddling over time and less mental effort to make sure I'm only changing 2 gears instead of 3.

The list goes on and on. Casual observers think we're just being silly and fooling ourselves with expensive parts. Meanwhile, I'm still buying the expensive stuff, enjoying it, and having zero regrets. At this point I just don't talk about it with any non-bikers because so many of them think they've got it all figured out.

Re: Greg LeMond’s New 26 LB. Carbon Fiber Ebike

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Ooo, nice. This is quite clever - still will require insight and effort from the rider, but it should be less of a shot in the dark, if it works. I'm not in your target market personally, but I like the approach. Are you going all out with triaxial load in the seat post, or uniaxial (posterior)?

You're asking the right sort of question :) Seatpost is actually one of the simpler sensors, without giving too much away it's sensing force in 4 different directions.

Is the 4th direction time?

Re: Greg LeMond’s New 26 LB. Carbon Fiber Ebike

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I think you’re missing his point. He wasn’t saying e-bikes were bad or pointless, he was saying that the design decisions made around this bike don’t make sense for an e-bike commuter or a performance racer or basically anyone. I’m similarly confused.

I think you and op are missing the point though. This is a light weight ebike! Obviously it's not as light weight as a professional bike (or like any without a battery), but this cuts weight everywhere it can and still has a 45 mile range (plus an extended battery you can add on to extend the range). On top of that people are already spending thousands of dollars on ebikes- this really isn't that much more expensive…

Yes, the point is to be a light weight e-bike, but still, why? Make it out of steel or aluminium, making the frame 1 kg heavier, perhaps that costs you another 200g in the battery and motor to drive the same power. Aluminium and steel are better materials than CF in every way except weight - or if not, I'd like to hear why!

The 1-2 kg weight savings is useful if you need to carry your bike up the stairs to your top floor apartment. Or to ride it up hills in manual mode. Both of those seem like niche cases.

Edit: other responses tell me that modern carbon fibre frames are not much more expensive than metal, not much more fragile, and may be more comfortable. That makes it a more reasonable choice than I thought.

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